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41 minutes ago, Peacenocchio said:

I believe it was Kevin Rowland who said that 'the only way to change things, is to shoot men who arrange things'. 

Good.

Then maybe he will get his wish for arranging that God awful song "come on Eileen"

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13 hours ago, Steelman said:

That is 100% untrue. The PCC has refused to pay any money for Duckenfield's defence. Stop posting lies.

Your assertion of 100% untrue is way off the mark. The defence team it is true are now working pro bono. but not before SYP had stumped up £7,600,000 of Tax payer money on the defence of Duckenfield. The main thrust of the argument is that the attack of SYP, SAG of which our police commissioner has a more than interested eye on is the very obvious legal battle rather than aiding us in anyway in the direction of Stadium safety.  

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11 minutes ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said:

Your assertion of 100% untrue is way off the mark. The defence team it is true are now working pro bono. but not before SYP had stumped up £7,600,000 of Tax payer money on the defence of Duckenfield. The main thrust of the argument is that the attack of SYP, SAG of which our police commissioner has a more than interested eye on is the very obvious legal battle rather than aiding us in anyway in the direction of Stadium safety.  

 

So why are you saying that Billings is paying his legal costs.

 

SYP and the PCC are NOT funding Duckenfield's defence.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Binky Griptite said:

How about if lots of people turned up like this (only probably to a lesser extent):

 

Image result for bubble wrap man

 

You can get rolls of Bubble Wrap for a quid so probably cheaper than wrapping yourself in cotton wool but with the same message sent that we're actually adults (apart from the ones who are actually actually kids) and don't need a 10 mile radius sanitising of all threats in order to survive a 90 minute game of football

I've got mine, 12 quid from Poundland

 

See you all tonight 

 

:Chansiri:

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16 hours ago, Grassy knoll said:

Hopefully nothing much kicked off in terms of violence today, I didn’t see any anyway , the Powers that be must be absolutely gutted, after all that planning for carnage today. I wonder if they’ll go back to the drawing board? 

They will just take the opinion that the lack of carnage was down to their planning...If there had been carnage they would have taken the opinion that they need more rd closures etc

 

can't win

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Here is my little bit towards trying to get something done.

The contact details are from the notice issued by our wonderful council.

 

Highway Network Management

Town Hall

Room G34

Pinstone Street

Sheffield

S1 2HH

 

28/10/19

 

Ref SWFC

 

To whom it may concern.

 

I wish to protest in the strongest possible terms at the disproportionate and damaging proposals relating to road closures around the Hillsborough stadium.

 

The stadium has been there for well over 100 years operating with crowds much higher than currently experienced, and suddenly there is a need for a “Chernobyl” type exclusion area around the ground on the grounds of safety and emergency vehicle access.

One study, with questionable data and motives, started this by closing Leppings lane access to Sheffield (the voters) football fans. I immediately wrote to the authorities pointing out the obvious, to everyone with any ability for joined up thinking, which was this would then cause safety issues on Penistone road as that was the only way out from the Kop and the North Stand.

Others made similar comments creating a reactive, and over the top response from the council by stopping the sale of additional tickets to the North stand and closing off Penistone Road. A clear case of causing a problem and then creating another to “solve” it.

80% of the time there are negligible numbers of away fans which makes the situation even more ridiculous.

I have seen with my own eyes the impact it has had on some local, not multinational, local, businesses.  A friend of mine, with a heart condition now has to walk twice as far from his home to his seat, and twice as far on the way back. Many more people will be suffering the same way if this order is implemented.

My family cannot get to our estate without driving past the Wednesday ground, what are they supposed to do? Drive up to Grenoside and then do a rat run through Oughtibridge?

 

Why none of this is necessary in a football ground near the city centre surrounded by similar, if not worse, traffic constraints can only be imagined….. 

 

This is making Sheffield, and the council, and in particular its officers, look like a set of amateurs with at best naivety, and at worst, an agenda, and these proposals should be scrapped immediately. I suspect the strategy is that these draconian plans will be watered down to something that is still way over the top but seem better than this mess.

 

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1 hour ago, upperwinngardensowl said:

Here is my little bit towards trying to get something done.

The contact details are from the notice issued by our wonderful council.

 

Highway Network Management

Town Hall

Room G34

Pinstone Street

Sheffield

S1 2HH

 

28/10/19

 

Ref SWFC

 

To whom it may concern.

 

I wish to protest in the strongest possible terms at the disproportionate and damaging proposals relating to road closures around the Hillsborough stadium.

 

The stadium has been there for well over 100 years operating with crowds much higher than currently experienced, and suddenly there is a need for a “Chernobyl” type exclusion area around the ground on the grounds of safety and emergency vehicle access.

One study, with questionable data and motives, started this by closing Leppings lane access to Sheffield (the voters) football fans. I immediately wrote to the authorities pointing out the obvious, to everyone with any ability for joined up thinking, which was this would then cause safety issues on Penistone road as that was the only way out from the Kop and the North Stand.

Others made similar comments creating a reactive, and over the top response from the council by stopping the sale of additional tickets to the North stand and closing off Penistone Road. A clear case of causing a problem and then creating another to “solve” it.

80% of the time there are negligible numbers of away fans which makes the situation even more ridiculous.

I have seen with my own eyes the impact it has had on some local, not multinational, local, businesses.  A friend of mine, with a heart condition now has to walk twice as far from his home to his seat, and twice as far on the way back. Many more people will be suffering the same way if this order is implemented.

My family cannot get to our estate without driving past the Wednesday ground, what are they supposed to do? Drive up to Grenoside and then do a rat run through Oughtibridge?

 

Why none of this is necessary in a football ground near the city centre surrounded by similar, if not worse, traffic constraints can only be imagined….. 

 

This is making Sheffield, and the council, and in particular its officers, look like a set of amateurs with at best naivety, and at worst, an agenda, and these proposals should be scrapped immediately. I suspect the strategy is that these draconian plans will be watered down to something that is still way over the top but seem better than this mess.

 

 

 brilliant that pal. Nicely worded too

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Got this from Clive Betts earlier...

 

Dear Neville,

 

I understand your frustration about the continuing situation at Hillsborough and the prohibition notice.  

 

One of the difficulties now is that this is all subject to legal action and will be heard at the Magistrate’s Court later this month.   I think the other real problem is that relationships between the Club and the police have effectively broken down and people probably will not get back together round the table until the court case is out of the way.

 

I am sending you a copy of the reply I did get from John Mothersole.   I have also since met with Sheffield Wednesday on a couple of occasions.   I have met with Mark Roberts, the Deputy Chief Constable on two occasions and both sides think they are absolutely right about the action they have taken which comes back to relations having broken down and both sides digging in.

 

I think the best we can do is to try and get everyone round the table as soon as the court case is out of the way.   I have talked to Cllr Bob Johnson about this and to Julie Dore as well and to Alan Billings and I think we all agree that eventually a round table with at least initially an informal discussion might be the best way to try and begin to resolve things.

 

Yours sincerely

CLIVE BETTS 

Labour's Parliamentary Candidate for
Sheffield South East

 

Below is the strange format that was forwarded to Clive from John Mothersole, Sorry as it has been scrambled somewhat. 

 

Dear Clive Thank you for your email dated 3rdSeptember 2019 and I hope that the information below helps clarifies the situation.On the 25th June 2019 South Yorkshire Police submittedan independent report from an internationally renowned crowd dynamics specialist regardingthe access andegress of supporters via the Leppings Lane concourse.The content of the report raised significant concernsregarding the geography of the stadium at that end, and drew on evidence not just from the SWFC v SUFC fixture, but also the Aston Villa fixture a short time later.Whilst it was unfortunate that the report was submitted so close to the start of the new season, the Council has a statutory roleas the Certifying Authority under the Safety of Sports Grounds Act 1975 and had no choice but to determine if any action was required to ensure public safety at the stadium. The report was shared with SWFCby email on 27thJune2019and it was askedto provideits formal responsein the nearfuture.On 5thJuly2019,a hard copy of the reportwas hand delivered, together with an invitationto formally provide the clubs response at an Extraordinary Safety Advisory Group (SAG)meeting on 17thJuly2019. This meeting was then postponed at the Club’s request and re-arranged for the 25thJuly 2019 when SAG considered the matter. This gave the club ample time to prepare a response to the matters raised.At the conclusion of the meeting on 25thJuly, a prohibition notice was issued restricting access to and egress from the North Stand via Leppings Lane.I can confirm that any action taken was deemed necessary and proportionate based on the facts that were presented to the Safety Advisory Group and the Club.SWFC has now submitted a proposed plan to the SAG which accommodates the recommendations of the initial report and the prohibition notice, which was agreed and put in place for the start of the EFL season. The club feels that this plan ensures thesafety of those attending the stadium as well as complying with the terms of the prohibition notice. This plan and the prohibition notice will be kept under constant review.
 
 
 
-2-As you may be aware SWFC has lodged an appeal against the issue of the prohibition, which will be heard in the Courts in due course.With regards to the impact of the prohibition upon the elderly and disabled supporters,whilst the paramount consideration has to be crowd safety I am pleased to be able to report that the club and the Council have discussed this issue and a plan to enable easier access and egress to these groups has been formulated and is currently under detailed consideration. Should there be any significant advances in this regardthe club will communicate directlywith the fans affected. It is hoped that a solution will be agreed in the near future.Your comments in relation to the situation at SUFCare noted. I can confirm that following last season’s fixture with SWFCa report was presented to the Safety Advisory Group and several recommendations made. SUFChas taken this report on board and changes have been made at the Bramall Lane end of the ground, both physical and operational.Returning to Sheffield Wednesday, the Councilhave looked to work closely with SWFC, and specifically with the clubs Safety Officer, to put in to place new arrangements and to find a suitable solution to the issues raised in the report. I can assure you that any formal action taken will only be that deemed necessary topromote and ensure stadium safety.Yours sincerely
John Mothersole Chief Executive
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Trouble is, I can't see any magistrate siding against the police and/or some self-appointed council 'safety expert'

I just hope the club have enlisted some legal hotshots who're prepared to put forward a strong argument

 

I'd be happier still if they'd invited comments from our own fan base that they could then use to further support that argument

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According to that email the only time they have looked at SUFC is after they played us !  Is Bramall lane our responsibility too?  The email is full of gobbledegoop designed to frustrate and confuse. "crowd dynamics specialist" ? What absolute nonsense. I hope the local voters have taken note and act accordingly at the next council election.

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