A E Neuman NYowl Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 If anyone else's has already produced these stats apologies and please pull this topic. We all have differing opinions on who should play up front for us, some of the comments on here have been " We should re-sign Hooper" " We should never have sold Joao" " Nuhiu can't get a shot on target in 3 games" "Rhodes is shot" " Give Rhodes 5 games and he will start to score" " Give Winnall 5 games and he will start to score " Like many I have been frustrated And critical of our strikers this season so I thought I would get some stats to see if it backs up any of these theories. To get a large volume of minutes played and to try to even out players peaks and troughs I have gone back to the start of the 2016-2017 season, the season Winnall and Rhodes joined us. The minutes played are for league games only played for us, and also these players have played the majority of games with the same managers and team mates. I have included Hooper and Joao for reference and comparison. Stats Player. Mins Played. Goals. Assists Fletcher. 6571. 29. 6. Goal every 226 mins. Assist every 1095 mins FF. 4825. 23 6. Goal every 219 mins. Assist every 804 mins Joao. 3984. 20. 6. Goal every 199 mins. Assist every 664 mins Hooper. 3737. 17. 7. Goal every 219 mins. Assist every 533 mins Nuhiu. 3585. 16. 8. Goal every 224 mins. Assist every 448 mins Winnall. 1318. 5. 1. Goal every 263 mins. Assist every 1318 mins Rhodes. 3027. 4. 2. Goal every 756 mins. Assist every 1513 mins 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 It shows context in a way only stats can.. See the whites of the keepers eyes and bust it.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clud17 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Rhodes stats really do stand out as being shocking, wonder who his stats faired at other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando17 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, A E Neuman NYowl said: If anyone else's has already produced these stats apologies and please pull this topic. We all have differing opinions on who should play up front for us, some of the comments on here have been " We should re-sign Hooper" " We should never have sold Joao" " Nuhiu can't get a shot on target in 3 games" "Rhodes is shot" " Give Rhodes 5 games and he will start to score" " Give Winnall 5 games and he will start to score " Like many I have been frustrated And critical of our strikers this season so I thought I would get some stats to see if it backs up any of these theories. To get a large volume of minutes played and to try to even out players peaks and troughs I have gone back to the start of the 2016-2017 season, the season Winnall and Rhodes joined us. The minutes played are for league games only played for us, and also these players have played the majority of games with the same managers and team mates. I have included Hooper and Joao for reference and comparison. Stats Player. Mins Played. Goals. Assists Fletcher. 6571. 29. 6. Goal every 226 mins. Assist every 1095 mins FF. 4825. 23 6. Goal every 219 mins. Assist every 804 mins Joao. 3984. 20. 6. Goal every 199 mins. Assist every 664 mins Hooper. 3737. 17. 7. Goal every 219 mins. Assist every 533 mins Nuhiu. 3585. 16. 8. Goal every 224 mins. Assist every 448 mins Winnall. 1318. 5. 1. Goal every 263 mins. Assist every 1318 mins Rhodes. 3027. 4. 2. Goal every 756 mins. Assist every 1513 mins Nuhui and Hooper nearly the same,anybody who goes regular,like me will find that very,very hard to digest ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flo Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I always thought João was good he scored regularly. People wrote him off because he was inconsistent when most players are inconsistent outside the top 7-8 of the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A E Neuman NYowl Posted October 3, 2019 Author Share Posted October 3, 2019 The surprising stat for me was Winnall, I thought his stats would be much worse and have been very critical of him. He could argue that he has not had a fair crack of the whip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Rhodes scored as many goals in 85 minutes for Huddersfield at Hillsborough than he has for 3027 minutes on the pitch (equivalent of 33.6 fullgames) and 974 days as a Sheffield Wednesday player. Money well spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debram Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, A E Neuman NYowl said: The surprising stat for me was Winnall, I thought his stats would be much worse and have been very critical of him. He could argue that he has not had a fair crack of the whip. Had a fair crack against Everton and Hull,. Missed some sitters, hope its 3rd time lucky sometime soon. Edited October 3, 2019 by debram Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Rhodes has scored 8 league goals for us overall. I'm guessing these totals don't include his initial loan period when he got 3 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 48 minutes ago, A E Neuman NYowl said: If anyone else's has already produced these stats apologies and please pull this topic. We all have differing opinions on who should play up front for us, some of the comments on here have been " We should re-sign Hooper" " We should never have sold Joao" " Nuhiu can't get a shot on target in 3 games" "Rhodes is shot" " Give Rhodes 5 games and he will start to score" " Give Winnall 5 games and he will start to score " Like many I have been frustrated And critical of our strikers this season so I thought I would get some stats to see if it backs up any of these theories. To get a large volume of minutes played and to try to even out players peaks and troughs I have gone back to the start of the 2016-2017 season, the season Winnall and Rhodes joined us. The minutes played are for league games only played for us, and also these players have played the majority of games with the same managers and team mates. I have included Hooper and Joao for reference and comparison. Stats Player. Mins Played. Goals. Assists Fletcher. 6571. 29. 6. Goal every 226 mins. Assist every 1095 mins FF. 4825. 23 6. Goal every 219 mins. Assist every 804 mins Joao. 3984. 20. 6. Goal every 199 mins. Assist every 664 mins Hooper. 3737. 17. 7. Goal every 219 mins. Assist every 533 mins Nuhiu. 3585. 16. 8. Goal every 224 mins. Assist every 448 mins Winnall. 1318. 5. 1. Goal every 263 mins. Assist every 1318 mins Rhodes. 3027. 4. 2. Goal every 756 mins. Assist every 1513 mins Oh dear that won’t do at all. It makes Nuhiu look out best all round striker when you consider goals and assists. Does tend to reinforce the often made claim that we score more with him on the pitch though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A E Neuman NYowl Posted October 3, 2019 Author Share Posted October 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, DJMortimer said: Rhodes has scored 8 league goals for us overall. I'm guessing these totals don't include his initial loan period when he got 3 ? No you are correct it was me who put the wrong info in. Rhodes stats stats should have read 8 goals and 2 assists. A goal every 378 minutes and an assist every 1513 minutes. Sorry Jordan I am making your stats look much worse than they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindygrOWLer Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, A E Neuman NYowl said: No you are correct it was me who put the wrong info in. Rhodes stats stats should have read 8 goals and 2 assists. A goal every 378 minutes and an assist every 1513 minutes. Sorry Jordan I am making your stats look much worse than they are. He's done that to himself to be fair... Edited October 3, 2019 by WindygrOWLer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommycraign10others Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, A E Neuman NYowl said: If anyone else's has already produced these stats apologies and please pull this topic. We all have differing opinions on who should play up front for us, some of the comments on here have been " We should re-sign Hooper" " We should never have sold Joao" " Nuhiu can't get a shot on target in 3 games" "Rhodes is shot" " Give Rhodes 5 games and he will start to score" " Give Winnall 5 games and he will start to score " Like many I have been frustrated And critical of our strikers this season so I thought I would get some stats to see if it backs up any of these theories. To get a large volume of minutes played and to try to even out players peaks and troughs I have gone back to the start of the 2016-2017 season, the season Winnall and Rhodes joined us. The minutes played are for league games only played for us, and also these players have played the majority of games with the same managers and team mates. I have included Hooper and Joao for reference and comparison. Stats Player. Mins Played. Goals. Assists Fletcher. 6571. 29. 6. Goal every 226 mins. Assist every 1095 mins FF. 4825. 23 6. Goal every 219 mins. Assist every 804 mins Joao. 3984. 20. 6. Goal every 199 mins. Assist every 664 mins Hooper. 3737. 17. 7. Goal every 219 mins. Assist every 533 mins Nuhiu. 3585. 16. 8. Goal every 224 mins. Assist every 448 mins Winnall. 1318. 5. 1. Goal every 263 mins. Assist every 1318 mins Rhodes. 3027. 4. 2. Goal every 756 mins. Assist every 1513 mins I have to say for the main big striker Fletchers assist record looks very disappointing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A E Neuman NYowl Posted October 3, 2019 Author Share Posted October 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Tommycraign10others said: I have to say for the main big striker Fletchers assist record looks very disappointing To be fair to Fletcher since the start of last season his record is very good, he did have real goal drought prior to this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, A E Neuman NYowl said: Player. Mins Played. Goals. Assists Fletcher. 6571. 29. 6. Goal every 226 mins. Assist every 1095 mins FF. 4825. 23 6. Goal every 219 mins. Assist every 804 mins Joao. 3984. 20. 6. Goal every 199 mins. Assist every 664 mins Hooper. 3737. 17. 7. Goal every 219 mins. Assist every 533 mins Nuhiu. 3585. 16. 8. Goal every 224 mins. Assist every 448 mins Winnall. 1318. 5. 1. Goal every 263 mins. Assist every 1318 mins Rhodes. 3027. 8. 2. Goal every 378 mins. Assist every 1513 mins Iorfa. 1322. 4. 1. Goal every 331 mins. Assist every 1322 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Joao, as I thought, head and shoulders above all the others, and we sold him. Not only that, stats apart, my eyes tell me, he has the best all round game He was inconsistent, whereas most of the others were consistent, consistently bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Joao, as I thought, head and shoulders above all the others... Based on goals and assists combined (surely more important overall than obsessing solely about the goals he scored himself) he isn't "above all the others" at all, never mind "head and shoulders". Don't get me wrong, he is a good player, but let's not get carried away. And in any case, there may have been a strong financial motivational reason for selling him, rather than a more performance related one. Edited October 3, 2019 by DJMortimer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, DJMortimer said: Based on goals and assists combined (surely more important overall than obsessing solely about the goals he scored himself) he isn't "above all the others" at all, never mind "head and shoulders". Don't get me wrong, he is a good player, but let's not get carried away. And in any case, there may have been a strong financial motivational reason for selling him, rather than a more performance related one. Possibly, but would any other of our strikers command that sort of fee in 2019? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spondon Owl Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, DJMortimer said: Based on goals and assists combined (surely more important overall than obsessing solely about the goals he scored himself) he isn't "above all the others" at all, never mind "head and shoulders". Don't get me wrong, he is a good player, but let's not get carried away. And in any case, there may have been a strong financial motivational reason for selling him, rather than a more performance related one. The thing with Lucas is he offered pace and power. A different dynamic, something which none of our current crop can offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Possibly, but would any other of our strikers command that sort of fee in 2019? We might not raise that much for the lot of them combined. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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