owl-zat Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 I’m just playing devils advocate here . . . . . On Tuesday we could rise up to 2nd place and they say after 10 games the league represents a true indication of how things are going but if we look at who we’ve faced, the results and where they currently are in the league :- Preston 5th place - 0 points QPR 9th place - 0 points Fulham 10th place 1 point Luton 16th place - 3 points Millwall 17th place - 0 points Middlesbrough 18th place - 3 points Reading 20th place - 3 points Barnsley 22nd place - 3 points Huddersfield 23rd place - 3 points We play Hull on Tuesday who are in 15th place so will have then played 7 out of the bottom 10 teams in our first 10 games and admittedly we’ve done well against them and need to beat these teams if we are going to push for promotion but against the 3 teams we have played in the top half we’ve taken just 1 point. The ‘easy’ run then continues with a game against 22nd placed Wigan. Obviously you can only beat who is in front of you but the real tests I feel are to come and we’ll see a true reflection of where we are at the end of November after Leeds, West Brom, Swansea and the surprise team Charlton. WAWAW 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnsleyOwl96 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Look on the flip side , a lot of the sides we have won would have been higher up if they beat us, eg boro, Luton for example would be top half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mounts Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 some people 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castleford Owl Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 I’ve been looking at the “expected goal” stats this season, which showed us last season that we were really fortunate at this stage to be round about where we are now. So far this season, actual position vs expected position based on performance so far: 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 We’ve had an easy start, no question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 The league is what it is. You are always in the position you deserve I think there is a lot that the team deserves credit for so far 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 You might get a bit of stick @owl-zat for being negative, but it’s a very fair question and I think you are throwing it out as a question. The average position of the teams we have played is 15th. 5 of our 9 have been away. Which becomes 6 out of 10 on Tuesday. We we lost our excellent manager days before KO. We spent six games under a caretaker. Our form under Monk is WDW with two aways. I think without doubt there is nothing false about our league position. Plus, success breeds success in any case. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, owl-zat said: I’m just playing devils advocate here . . . . . On Tuesday we could rise up to 2nd place and they say after 10 games the league represents a true indication of how things are going but if we look at who we’ve faced, the results and where they currently are in the league :- Preston 5th place - 0 points QPR 9th place - 0 points Fulham 10th place 1 point Luton 16th place - 3 points Millwall 17th place - 0 points Middlesbrough 18th place - 3 points Reading 20th place - 3 points Barnsley 22nd place - 3 points Huddersfield 23rd place - 3 points We play Hull on Tuesday who are in 15th place so will have then played 7 out of the bottom 10 teams in our first 10 games and admittedly we’ve done well against them and need to beat these teams if we are going to push for promotion but against the 3 teams we have played in the top half we’ve taken just 1 point. The ‘easy’ run then continues with a game against 22nd placed Wigan. Obviously you can only beat who is in front of you but the real tests I feel are to come and we’ll see a true reflection of where we are at the end of November after Leeds, West Brom, Swansea and the surprise team Charlton. WAWAW Lets worry about the league position with only a few games left in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) Imo we should have done better in the opening month of the season. However we have done better than I thought in September. 7th at the minute is a very decent position. Hull and Wigan next, on paper 2 winnable games. No doubt about it though we have played some of the so called poorer teams in the league so far. Edited September 29, 2019 by WalthamOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowls Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 It’s the championship teams go on positive and negative runs all the times. This could easily be the new manager bump. Yesterday was great, but we could easily come down to earth with a bump Tuesday and Saturday! A couple of things that go in our favour though .. our squad is a solid upper table experienced championship one. We have strength in depth. We have manager who after 4 games looks to not play a system to please as many players as possible but plays system to get results. Far too early to call anything out yet.. it’s a fair point by the OP though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debram Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, owl-zat said: I’m just playing devils advocate here . . . . . On Tuesday we could rise up to 2nd place and they say after 10 games the league represents a true indication of how things are going but if we look at who we’ve faced, the results and where they currently are in the league :- Preston 5th place - 0 points QPR 9th place - 0 points Fulham 10th place 1 point Luton 16th place - 3 points Millwall 17th place - 0 points Middlesbrough 18th place - 3 points Reading 20th place - 3 points Barnsley 22nd place - 3 points Huddersfield 23rd place - 3 points We play Hull on Tuesday who are in 15th place so will have then played 7 out of the bottom 10 teams in our first 10 games and admittedly we’ve done well against them and need to beat these teams if we are going to push for promotion but against the 3 teams we have played in the top half we’ve taken just 1 point. The ‘easy’ run then continues with a game against 22nd placed Wigan. Obviously you can only beat who is in front of you but the real tests I feel are to come and we’ll see a true reflection of where we are at the end of November after Leeds, West Brom, Swansea and the surprise team Charlton. WAWAW Agree but by then monk will havs had more time to instill his policy's and hopefully we will be a much improved unit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl-zat Posted September 29, 2019 Author Share Posted September 29, 2019 I think one positive is in the past few seasons we’ve drawn too many games and that’s not happening at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 I’m sure Fulham expected to beat the Dingles , I’m equally sure Blackburn expected to beat Luton and ditto Swansea expected to beat Reading but this division doesn’t work like that Anyone trying to predict results in the Championship is on a fools errand because the cliche that anyone can beat anyone on their day could have been coined specifically with the Championship in mind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Are we forgetting what Hull did to us last season at their place or are they another of those teams we should be beating ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, torres said: The league is what it is. You are always in the position you deserve I think there is a lot that the team deserves credit for so far Results against better teams are concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Definitely in a false position. We are 6 places below where we should be. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsheri Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Don’t think we are in a false position at all. IMO we have a top ten squad. Where we finish in that top ten will be determined by the right tactics, motivation and of course a little luck with injuries and decisions. Pace up top and a quality left back is where I believe we still fall a bit short Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) I'd say not appointing Monk until the international break and being deprived of one of our better players for 6 games evens out the kind fixtures. In the circumstances, think we've done better than expected. If Monk can get the best out of our players as he seems to be doing, we've as good a chance as anyone else in challenging in the top 6 but not taking anything for granted. I'm just enjoying us creating chances and scoring some goals for a change. Edited September 29, 2019 by striker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howards back Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 You can only beat what’s in front of you, enjoy it while you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzaroteowl Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 To gain promotion sometimes you need a little luck Like playing certain teams at the right time. Some of the teams we have beat may go on great runs. Beat whoever you play as they come and worry about how false our position is when we finish in the top two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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