Popular Post Wizzard1867 Posted September 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2019 In this urn lies the remains of English Football…. What I witnessed at Hillsborough on Tuesday night was wrong on many levels. It's probably because the first match I remember attending and taking a real interest in was a Zenith Data Systems Cup match, between Wednesday and that other team in Sheffield. It was at Hillsborough and it was like a cup final to me, and I'm sure many others. It was the first Derby in over 10 years at the time I believe. Four years later, both teams were battling out a Semi Final of the FA Cup at Wembley. That Wednesday team competed to win in 60+ games that season. Wednesday ran out 3-2 winners, and both teams competed like their lives depended on it, because they did. That was the start of something much bigger at Sheffield Wednesday. Big Ron knew it, so did the fans. Sheridan and Palmer in midfield looked like world beaters, and they began to believe it. Yes there followed a relagation, but what followed was why Tuesday night was wrong. We are a club why 152 years of heritage, we have won all the domestic trophies apart from that new thing made for Alex Ferguson's Man United, which we voted for, which has become a curse on our Club and English football. The Club has forgotten our heritage. Yes we have the retro badge, yes we had that cake ball, yes we had the gala dinner, but we forget, in 1991 we didn't throw in the towel when it came to the League Cup, concentrating on the League wasn't an option, we went out and won the League Cup and won Promotion, because that team had the will to win. To many of the top players in our current squad don't show that will to win in every game, because they have consistently treated some games more important than others, and it alarms me that so early into The Monks tenure he talks the talk, but he's already shown to the players that some games are more important than others. It's not true, they are all important if you won't accept defeat, if you have the will to win. Yes I agree changes should be made, but changing the majority of the team simply isn't fair on the players who really deserve a chance, or the fans. There were kids there on Tuesday night, as there are at all the home games, and I didn't see anything which would spark their imagination from either team. Which is poor, when you've seen Wednesday win the Cup and achieve Promotion before. Please start treating the Cup and the fans with some respect Sheffield Wednesday, you never know where it may take us. 11 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) It went down the oldshitter when sky ruined football by flooding it with stupid amounts of money and devaluing traditional competitions like the FA cup. Sadly it's more lucrative to finish top 4 than anything else. Edited September 27, 2019 by Blue and white 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxine Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I was up for the cup pity the manager and team weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmontonowl Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Cup Fever - I think the FA found a cure....................................money, money, money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmontonowl Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) The League Cup is just over 50 years old now and never really got going until the end of the 60's when it got Wembley as a venue for the final in '67. Then it became the ugly 3rd sister in the 70's although clubs like Stoke and Man City did get a Wembley win while the big clubs at the time - Leeds, Derby Man U, Arsenal - didn't do too much. There was also a chance that a lower league side would be at Wembley - QPR and Swindon both won, Villa were Div 3 when they went up against Spurs and Norwich were Div 2 (I think in 75). With the 2-legged semis it was always a bit quirky whereas the FA cup got all the attention of the big clubs. However there were a number of finals featuring less fancied clubs through the 80's and 90's And then the Premier League and TV rights went ballistic and it's struggled since. A great shame but maybe the future needs an opt-out model and the focus shifts back to what it was when it began with only so many of the Prem clubs invited but with a Euro place for the winner as incentive? Edited September 27, 2019 by edmontonowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I seem to remember that the Derby for the Zenith Data System Cup was the first Derby for a number of years hence the excitement and big crowd Cup fever died when the FA Cup final was not an all day affair on TV, big clubs played kids in the League Cup, and Wednesday became crap and got knocked out in the first round most years! Romance is dead. It's all about the kick f*ck these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggowl Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Blue and white said: It went down the oldshitter when sky ruined football by flooding it with stupid amounts of money and devaluing traditional competitions like the FA cup. Sadly it's more lucrative to finish top 4 than anything else. Sadly it's more lucrative to finish top 17 than anything else and providing you come back up within 3 years that's still more lucrative than any cup competition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurai Blue Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I agree with the general sentiment, although wouldn't put that example you've cited down to 'cup fever'. It was because it was a derby. The Zenith Data Systems cup was a largely derided competition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Man United set the ball rolling as it were when they opted out of playing in the cup one season. Then the FA started messing about with the format of the competition even to the point of playing the final at the most stupid of times to suit the god Sky. Its been used and abused to the point it's hardly recognised. A great shame as I remember fans discussing what they would rather win the League or the Cup. That's a laughable concept now. Greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookieisdown Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 It depends what you want. In a very obvious sense, English club football isn't broken. It's a massive global success. Based around a branded league and half a dozen globally barnded and recognised clubs. There is collateral damage in this. The domestic cup competitions, whose value to clubs has dropped off the scale. And quite a few clubs who no longer have any prospects of competing at the top of the tree. If you like what's happened and you're a Wednesday fan, you're either a bit thick, or exceptionally altruistic on behalf of a class of rich people who don't really deserve your sympathy. It is what it is. And Sheffield Wednesday starting Steven Fletcher up front against Everton is not going to alter the march of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitcat Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Regardless of what has happened to football since the introduction of Sky; As you get older I think you naturally lose cup fever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Teams like Liverppol and Man City are so much better than anyone else that there is no point in the Championship teams going full on to get through. The financial gain is dwarfed by the riches of getting promoted and players getting injured or clogging up an already long season isn't worth it. Its a shame, in a bygone era an FA Cup Saturday with a 3:00 kick off was the highlight of the season. Gazza doing his knee, Norman Whitesides bender(:o), Ian Rush and his camera goal. Ricky Villa. Since the inception of the money league there are very few(Gerrard v West Ham) cup "moments" that stick in your head like they used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 6 hours ago, Blue and white said: It went down the oldshitter when sky ruined football by flooding it with stupid amounts of money and devaluing traditional competitions like the FA cup. Sadly it's more lucrative to finish top 4 than anything else. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Can remember the time when winning the cup outweighed winning the league...now finishing 17th is much more important . The days when football was about the glory as long been replaced by ££££s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 7 hours ago, Blue and white said: It went down the oldshitter when sky ruined football by flooding it with stupid amounts of money and devaluing traditional competitions like the FA cup. Sadly it's more lucrative to finish top 4 than anything else. Fans are as much to blame now. on another thread I was asked if i was “on crack” for saying I would prefer to have beaten a premier league team and gone into the 4th round of the cup than beat boro in a mid-table league game tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomaco Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 hour ago, GerOwl said: Teams like Liverppol and Man City are so much better than anyone else that there is no point in the Championship teams going full on to get through. The financial gain is dwarfed by the riches of getting promoted and players getting injured or clogging up an already long season isn't worth it. Its a shame, in a bygone era an FA Cup Saturday with a 3:00 kick off was the highlight of the season. Gazza doing his knee, Norman Whitesides bender(:o), Ian Rush and his camera goal. Ricky Villa. Since the inception of the money league there are very few(Gerrard v West Ham) cup "moments" that stick in your head like they used to. True. That Liverpool one's the only one I remember, Harewood getting a hamstring injury as well and playing on limping about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 hour ago, torryowl said: Can remember the time when winning the cup outweighed winning the league...now finishing 17th is much more important . The days when football was about the glory as long been replaced by ££££s. Exactly. Teams in the big league would rather finish 4th for the Champions League revenue or 17th in the league to keep their Premier league money than add a League Cup or FA Cup to their honour board. Same goes for those Championship clubs trying to get to the Premier League; but those clubs also have the realisation that even if they field a full strength team in the cups, it's likely Man City's 3rd string will wipe the floor with them anyway, so it's not worth the risk to their goal of getting to the money league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlinexile Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Just wait until the next pointless European competition starts up. Even mid table Premiership sides will want out of the domestic cups ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I’m old enough to remember the League Cup being started. It was unpopular at the outset when top clubs were allowed to opt out and was always a poor alternative to the F A Cup. I know it gives young players a chance of competitive football but if fans keep shunning it what is the point of jamming up fixtures with it in amongst international breaks. Time to abolish it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) Much rather win a cup than get promotion. Seen us do both and I know which one gave me one of the days of my life supporting swfc. Edited September 27, 2019 by Bulgaria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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