Guest LittleG Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 2 hours ago, frastheowl said: Westwood - 5 - Had very little to do, despite Fulham dominating possession. But he's made another poor judgement for Fulham's goal. It wasn't an easy cross to deal with, but he's dealt with it really poorly nonetheless. Odubajo - 7 - He defended very well up against Cavaleiro, who had no impact on the game really. Didn't use the ball too well at times though. Too many unforced errors. Iorfa - 8 - Man of the Match - Continued where he left off last week. Thought he could be key in keeping Mitrovic quiet, and he stood up and went toe-to-toe with the Serb. Borner - 8 - Another adept and positive defensive display. Couple of moments where he lacked a bit of composure, but on the whole, another fine performance. Palmer - 7 - Did a fine job up against Knockaert, and kept the tricky Belgian relatively quiet. Few touches of quality, just wish he would show more belief in offensive areas. There was acres of room for him to move into at times, but he's reluctant to do so. Hutchinson - 6 - Redeemed himself 2nd half, after another anonymous 1st period. Never seemed to get to grips with Cairney, and the midfield just seemed to be a bit too passive. Maybe it was part of the plan (and had Fulham not scored with the only chance they created, who'd convince yourself it had been successful), but the midfield trio just seemed to be a yard off pace. Bannan - 6 - Struggled to have an effect on the game offensively, and in the 1st half, like Hutchinson, seemed to be chasing shadows at times. Lee - 5 - Pretty poor show from Lee. Seemed to get stuck in between trying to press and sitting in, and had no impact whatsoever going forward. Correctly subbed. Reach - 6 - See Lee. Neither here or there, and aside from a 10 minute period in the 1st half, was pretty anonymous. Deservedly dragged off. Harris - 8 - Yet again, our ONLY genuine attacking threat. Did well in the 1st half to create a couple of chances, and continued to give Sessegnon a real headache. Assist for Nuhiu's last minute winner. Fletcher - 6 - Tough gig today. Left isolated at times, and given the job to drop deep and man mark Reed for large parts. Won A LOT aerially, but thought his hold up play could have been better. Murphy - 6 - Little impact really. Winnall - 6 - Huffed and puffed, and linked a few things up. Nuhiu - 7 - He did what he does so often. Caused chaos. Ruffled Fulham, chased lost causes but crucially, got the equaliser. Another positive impact sub. Overall ... A deserved point against a side who should finish in the promotion places. And yet, we didn't really play all that well. I think the game could be a wake-up to Monk in how to play and get the best out of the players (and fans) at Hillsborough. The 1st half game plan wasn't wrong, or ill-conceived. And aside from one awful bit of defensive play where we totally lost our shape and got punished, you wouldn't be criticised for arguing that the game plan worked. It was clear that we were very happy for Mawson and Ream to have the ball, but Reed wasn't going to be given the freedom of midfield and able to take the ball off those two centre halves. We wanted their centre halves to try and play the balls that Fulham wanted Reed to be doing. And for much of the 1st half, despite us failing to really stamp our authority on the game, you'd have to say Fulham rarely troubled us. That said...it was flat. Both on the pitch, and in the stands. But in the 2nd half, after about 55-60 minutes, it seemed like a switch was flicked. Bannan pushed high up on Reed, Fletcher closed the centre halves down with Harris and Murphy providing close support, and all of a sudden, Wednesday played with a bit more urgency, but also, the crowd responded. Fulham looked vulnerable all of a sudden, and Hillsborough could sniff blood. As it happened, we didn't really play all that well, but with the positive switches in formation and mindset, the fans dragged the players along. Chuck in a fair old dose of injustice, and the fans sucked that ball into the net. For the last 15-20 minutes, Hillsborough responded to the players needs. We've played much better this season, and picked up less, but the positivity was contagious and Monk needs to capitalise on that. So less of the passive play we saw in the 1st half, and more of the up and at them mentality we saw for the last 30 minutes. Good post. Would have given Hutch and Fletch ( they sound like a 70's American cop duo) a seven but rest you've got spot on along with your summary. If only I had your patience to type all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 2 hours ago, frastheowl said: Westwood - 5 - Had very little to do, despite Fulham dominating possession. But he's made another poor judgement for Fulham's goal. It wasn't an easy cross to deal with, but he's dealt with it really poorly nonetheless. Odubajo - 7 - He defended very well up against Cavaleiro, who had no impact on the game really. Didn't use the ball too well at times though. Too many unforced errors. Iorfa - 8 - Man of the Match - Continued where he left off last week. Thought he could be key in keeping Mitrovic quiet, and he stood up and went toe-to-toe with the Serb. Borner - 8 - Another adept and positive defensive display. Couple of moments where he lacked a bit of composure, but on the whole, another fine performance. Palmer - 7 - Did a fine job up against Knockaert, and kept the tricky Belgian relatively quiet. Few touches of quality, just wish he would show more belief in offensive areas. There was acres of room for him to move into at times, but he's reluctant to do so. Hutchinson - 6 - Redeemed himself 2nd half, after another anonymous 1st period. Never seemed to get to grips with Cairney, and the midfield just seemed to be a bit too passive. Maybe it was part of the plan (and had Fulham not scored with the only chance they created, who'd convince yourself it had been successful), but the midfield trio just seemed to be a yard off pace. Bannan - 6 - Struggled to have an effect on the game offensively, and in the 1st half, like Hutchinson, seemed to be chasing shadows at times. Lee - 5 - Pretty poor show from Lee. Seemed to get stuck in between trying to press and sitting in, and had no impact whatsoever going forward. Correctly subbed. Reach - 6 - See Lee. Neither here or there, and aside from a 10 minute period in the 1st half, was pretty anonymous. Deservedly dragged off. Harris - 8 - Yet again, our ONLY genuine attacking threat. Did well in the 1st half to create a couple of chances, and continued to give Sessegnon a real headache. Assist for Nuhiu's last minute winner. Fletcher - 6 - Tough gig today. Left isolated at times, and given the job to drop deep and man mark Reed for large parts. Won A LOT aerially, but thought his hold up play could have been better. Murphy - 6 - Little impact really. Winnall - 6 - Huffed and puffed, and linked a few things up. Nuhiu - 7 - He did what he does so often. Caused chaos. Ruffled Fulham, chased lost causes but crucially, got the equaliser. Another positive impact sub. Overall ... A deserved point against a side who should finish in the promotion places. And yet, we didn't really play all that well. I think the game could be a wake-up to Monk in how to play and get the best out of the players (and fans) at Hillsborough. The 1st half game plan wasn't wrong, or ill-conceived. And aside from one awful bit of defensive play where we totally lost our shape and got punished, you wouldn't be criticised for arguing that the game plan worked. It was clear that we were very happy for Mawson and Ream to have the ball, but Reed wasn't going to be given the freedom of midfield and able to take the ball off those two centre halves. We wanted their centre halves to try and play the balls that Fulham wanted Reed to be doing. And for much of the 1st half, despite us failing to really stamp our authority on the game, you'd have to say Fulham rarely troubled us. That said...it was flat. Both on the pitch, and in the stands. But in the 2nd half, after about 55-60 minutes, it seemed like a switch was flicked. Bannan pushed high up on Reed, Fletcher closed the centre halves down with Harris and Murphy providing close support, and all of a sudden, Wednesday played with a bit more urgency, but also, the crowd responded. Fulham looked vulnerable all of a sudden, and Hillsborough could sniff blood. As it happened, we didn't really play all that well, but with the positive switches in formation and mindset, the fans dragged the players along. Chuck in a fair old dose of injustice, and the fans sucked that ball into the net. For the last 15-20 minutes, Hillsborough responded to the players needs. We've played much better this season, and picked up less, but the positivity was contagious and Monk needs to capitalise on that. So less of the passive play we saw in the 1st half, and more of the up and at them mentality we saw for the last 30 minutes. Really good read. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weshallovercome Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Really good read. Seconded, started to look forward to fras's analysis.........yours to Holmy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kagoshimaowl Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Westwood 6 kicking not great Odubajo 6 Iorfa 8 Borner 7 Palmer 7.5 Hutchinson 6 Bannan 6 Lee 5.5 not the player he was Reach 4 awful again Harris 8 quieter but a brilliant assist again Fletcher 6 Murphy 5 neshed the header Winnall 5 Nuhiu 7 good impact again I thought it was a solid point. Defence did very well. Palmer fought hard against Knockart and Borner and especially Iorfa we’re outstanding against Mitrovic who is the best CF in this division. The hard one is Odubajo. In general he played well and he put in some excellent last ditch tackles but at times he does stupid things and his positioning can be poor. In midfield we were poor. Hutch and Bannan aren’t reaching the heights we know they can but Lee was poor. For me, he’s not the player he was before his injury and Luongo should be playing instead if we play 3 in midfield. As for the attack Fletch was isolated in the first half but we still created chances. Harris is a total gem as he was quiet today but still managed the assist at the end. Great impact from Nuhiu to add to the excellent cameos from both Atdhe and Sam last weekend. All the strikers need to chip in with goals to help out Fletch so it’s a good sign. If we can sort ourselves out going forward we will have a chance this season as defensively we are quite solid. Onwards and upwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiejohn Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Westwood 5 very little to do should have done better with goal moses 6 ok defensively nowt going forward the opposite of what you expect palmer 7 steady game iorfa 7 defended well shaky on ball at times borner8 natural defender if he was a yard faster or a few inches taller he’d be in PL if he was both he’d be a superstar lee 5 forgot he was playing bannan 6 terrible first half improved as game wore on reach 6 had some good moments first half then disappeared harris 7 clearly our best chance of creating something kept going and created goal need to get him on ball 1v2 in last third hutchinson 6 again too deep which leads to us losing midfield fletcher 7 battled manfully with no support murphy 6 saw very little of the ball winnall 6 hustle and bustle but little impact nuhui 8 changed game created mayhem overall we struggled to get the ball or keep it but Fulham created next to nothing midfield needs bolstering perhaps luongo needs to be given a go and fletcher needs support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamnich Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 14 hours ago, onlyonedavidhirst said: Knockheart was almost non existent today thanks to Palmer. Can't remember a time when he's been so quiet against us, so Palmer for me. Thought Iorfa and Borner were good, Moses didn't do as bad as people will say as he was often left 2 on 1 despite shouting for help. Going forward Harris and Fletcher worked hard and the subs helped. When we cropped in the semis against Brighton. Didn't they run out of subs too if I remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mus Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Hard one this week, but Nuhiu for me, game changer and that's what we needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Not Bannan's and type of game to physical for him,I would play Luongo in these types of games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britpunk77 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Westwood 6 Odubajo 6 Iorfa 8 Börner 8 Palmer 8 Hutchinson 7 Reach 6 Lee 6 Bannan 6 Harris 7 Fletcher 7 Murphy 6 Winnall 6 Dave 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyonedavidhirst Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 hour ago, adamnich said: When we cropped in the semis against Brighton. Didn't they run out of subs too if I remember? If I remember rightly, they were out of subs by half time. Obviously Kcockheart was injured in our home leg, but if you recall they all said he’d not play in the reverse fixture, yet he did and he terrorised us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wall Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I went for Borner, but thought Palmer was excellent yesterday, against one of the best wingers in the division. Very nearly played Fletcher in a couple of times as well I'll hold my hands up and admit that a couple of years ago I said Palmer would never be a footballer "if he's not kicked on by now...etc". Very glad to be wrong on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_Owl Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 14 hours ago, Peacenocchio said: I'd read that last para again mate if I were you. Yes it's poorly worded but I think you get the idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Westwood 5 Odubajo 7 Iorfa 7 Borner 7 Palmer 7 Harris 7 Bannan 5 Hutchinson 7 Lee 6 Reach 5 Fletcher 7 Nuhiu 8 Winnall 7 Murphy 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 13 hours ago, jamiejohn said: Westwood 5 very little to do should have done better with goal moses 6 ok defensively nowt going forward the opposite of what you expect palmer 7 steady game iorfa 7 defended well shaky on ball at times borner8 natural defender if he was a yard faster or a few inches taller he’d be in PL if he was both he’d be a superstar lee 5 forgot he was playing bannan 6 terrible first half improved as game wore on reach 6 had some good moments first half then disappeared harris 7 clearly our best chance of creating something kept going and created goal need to get him on ball 1v2 in last third hutchinson 6 again too deep which leads to us losing midfield fletcher 7 battled manfully with no support murphy 6 saw very little of the ball winnall 6 hustle and bustle but little impact nuhui 8 changed game created mayhem overall we struggled to get the ball or keep it but Fulham created next to nothing midfield needs bolstering perhaps luongo needs to be given a go and fletcher needs support Wasn’t him yesterday it was everyone else he was the most advanced of the midfield 3. In the second half when we improved he was the one dragging Bannan out. I think Monk has seen already that Hutch further forward makes us a better team. Good performance from him yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frastheowl Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 15 hours ago, Hack-Abusi said: Sorry to be pedantic but he's French. But pretty much agree with the ratings though. I thought palmer was superb today and dealt with pretty much whatever came his waggy from knockaert. Iorfa much better today, more composed, less rash rushing in trying to win the ball Borner solid. Loves a battle. I thought our weakest part today was midfield. Looked like Lee and Bannan were running in treacle at times. . It's like many have said about Bannan though, hides against teams that press him, whether that was down to Fulham's quality or himself dropping in performance. And hes definitely not captain material. Too busy moaning and whining throwing him arms around and shrugging. Too often walking around too. Fletcher isolated at times up top, worked extremely hard. A thankless task. Reach was poor also. Forms low at the minute My instinct was to put "tricky, little ****"! I tend to agree with you but, I don't think you can accuse Bannan of ever hiding. There's, of course, going to be some games where he doesn't see as much of the ball as others, and when you're up against a team that dominates possession like Fulham does, naturally, you aren't going to see as much of it. I didn't think Bannan was great yesterday, and I'd tend to put our "flatness" in the 1st half, down to our midfield trio. But to be fair to Bannan, it did seem like he was the catalyst to dragging the team up the field in the 2nd half and initiating the high press on Fulham's back line. Without that definitive shift in mentality, the game was destined to just meander along without so much as a whimper from ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 when people criticise hutch for playing too deep do they think he does this on his accord or is it a dig at the managers tactics ……. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frastheowl Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 10 hours ago, torryowl said: when people criticise hutch for playing too deep do they think he does this on his accord or is it a dig at the managers tactics ……. The lead up to Fulham’s had to be Hutchinson doing it on his own accord. He drops so deep, that we literally have nobody in midfield. When Monk watches the video back, I fully expect him to be asking Hutchinson, what he was doing. If Hutchinson is sat holding in midfield, Fulham’s counter could easily have been stifled or at the very least slowed down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 10 hours ago, torryowl said: when people criticise hutch for playing too deep do they think he does this on his accord or is it a dig at the managers tactics ……. Hutch is a defender by nature and instinct and he's also a good DM. His tendency is to drop too deep, he can't really do much about it. He brings a lot to the team but he also spoils our shape when we have the ball. A wise manager has 2 choices, drop Hutch and lose what he brings to the game. Pelupessy or Luongo. Luongo might be an interesting option, I've not seen enough of him to form an opinion. The other option is just to compensated for Hutch's positioning by having full backs who can play effectively as wing backs when we have the ball. Hutch drops back to form a 3rd CB and both full backs push forward to midfield or overlap the winger. I suppose there is a 3rd option which is to get Hutch on the training pitch and make him more comfortable further up the pitch. Good luck with that because it hasn't happened so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N0rtherner Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) On 21/09/2019 at 19:03, Holmowl said: Harris 8 our biggest threat and superb for our goal While our defenders (Börner, Iorfa) were high up there and deserved MotM, I voted for Harris again too for this reason. Edited September 23, 2019 by N0rtherner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, frastheowl said: The lead up to Fulham’s had to be Hutchinson doing it on his own accord. He drops so deep, that we literally have nobody in midfield. When Monk watches the video back, I fully expect him to be asking Hutchinson, what he was doing. If Hutchinson is sat holding in midfield, Fulham’s counter could easily have been stifled or at the very least slowed down. Youd think if that's the case monk would have either told him from the touchline or have brought him off . He always plays deep and monk would you hope know that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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