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2 minutes ago, sheffwed1 said:

 

Doesnt it prove we are a more effective team when he is not starting though? 

Of course it does. 

It is about the 11 on the pitch not one player. 

Some fans need to accept what is in front of them. We are a better team with him on the bench barring his first season here. 

No not really.

 

You can pit that at any player, and I have, I think were a better team without Bannan in it as good as Bannan is.

 

Its all about opinions but when you have a game changer you give him as much game time as possible IMO.

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52 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said:

 

I think a lot of the reason he is still here is his wages are higher at Wednesday then other clubs are prepared to pay.
But like 90% of players really.

Ahh yes, the old wages chestnut. 

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FF still had it when he came back from injury towards the end of Jos's first season. He was great  back to almost his best. Is it still there, probably, if his head is right. It will be down to Monk to see if he can get FF back to his best.

 

As things stand I wouldn't offer him a new contract on anything like the terms he must be on at present unless we can see signs that he's motivated and back to his old self.

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2 minutes ago, DELUDED OWL said:

Ahh yes, the old wages chestnut. 

 

So you dont think one reason FF is still a Wednesday player is to do with money?

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24 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said:

No not really.

 

You can pit that at any player, and I have, I think were a better team without Bannan in it as good as Bannan is.

 

Its all about opinions but when you have a game changer you give him as much game time as possible IMO.

 

And when we have done (ie starting Nando) we have not got the results. Thats my point. 

 

He definitely has a part to play but more as an impact sub. 

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41 minutes ago, alanharper said:

 

Was it actually Forestieri's fault that we didn't win more of those games though? Was it down to him that we threw away a 2 goal lead late on against WBA, or that Norwich equalised just after midnight? Of those 13 league starts he made where we didn't win he still scored 6 goals which is a very decent return. And despite that limited game time in a season riddled with injury, suspension and a court appearance looming over him he was still 4th top scorer with those 6 goals from 15 league starts behind Fletcher (11 from 32 starts), Joao (7 from 18 plus 3 goals as sub) and Reach (8 from 43)
 
He was top scorer and top assist maker in his first 2 seasons, and after losing the majority of the following season to injury still came back with 5 goals in the last 8 games. Easily the most talented player we've had in the last 20 years, one of very few players we've had in that time who can fashion a goal from nothing (see the Reading and Norwich goals as prime examples) yet it makes me laugh how some people seem to be so desperate to get rid of him or belittle his stats.

 

If you're purely looking at the results when a particular player participated, you'd find that George Boyd was a key player last season as we averaged 1.63 points per game when he played compared to 1.3 for Hutchinson and 1.42 for Fletcher and Bannan but I don't see anyone slating their stats or complaining that we let Boyd go...

 

 

 

Can't agree with this more.

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We all know FF hasnt reached the heights of a few years ago. 

But a fit FF must be a bonus to the team

 He will come back fit although lacking match time  I for one would play him as agree with previous posts that one player who creates a buzz. So just play him sure he will deliver for thos season slot of money riding on it for him as well

 

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Thing is FF knows he can vanish for large parts of the game.  If he does something wonderful for 5 or 10 minutes.  It makes him lazy.

 

I love watching him harassing defenders and goalkeepers but this has become less and less.

 

You can almost see what mood he is in and if he is 'up for it'

 

whether this is attitude or fitness I don't know.

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2 hours ago, matthefish2002 said:

 

So you dont think one reason FF is still a Wednesday player is to do with money?

No

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13 hours ago, ka58 said:

 

That hasn’t happened - sounds like something you hear from blades

 

“the star hates us!”

”radio Sheffield hates us!”

”the council hates us”

 

 

 

It's getting embarrassing isn't it?

I accept that the average football fan does not understand the difference in the standard of proof in criminal proceedings as opposed to the EFL's proceedings but the bleating about "dem all got it in for us" is galling to say the least.

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15 hours ago, Ash76 said:

Hopefully he'll come back and show every f*cker he's still a class act. Unfortunately my head says it'll be more frustrations and he'll leave in the summer without us offering a new contract

We have already offered him a new contract.

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33 minutes ago, DELUDED OWL said:

No

 

Give over!!!

A big reason any player not just FF is at any club is to do money.
 

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14 hours ago, Holmowl said:

Fact is our record when he starts for us is off-the-scale abysmal.

 

Look no further.

 

Without scrolling down, of the 16 games he has started since the start of last season, how many have we won?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two.

 

Really. You will think I’m making it up.

 

Ipswich 0-1 Owls (we scored after he was subbed)

 

Owls 2-0 Brentford.

 

It simply doesn’t work. Why? Christ knows. But it doesn’t.

 

He started once this season. QPR.

After the other day, sorry but I don't trust your stats anymore!

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3 hours ago, alanharper said:

 

Was it actually Forestieri's fault that we didn't win more of those games though? Was it down to him that we threw away a 2 goal lead late on against WBA, or that Norwich equalised just after midnight? Of those 13 league starts he made where we didn't win he still scored 6 goals which is a very decent return. And despite that limited game time in a season riddled with injury, suspension and a court appearance looming over him he was still 4th top scorer with those 6 goals from 15 league starts behind Fletcher (11 from 32 starts), Joao (7 from 18 plus 3 goals as sub) and Reach (8 from 43)
 
He was top scorer and top assist maker in his first 2 seasons, and after losing the majority of the following season to injury still came back with 5 goals in the last 8 games. Easily the most talented player we've had in the last 20 years, one of very few players we've had in that time who can fashion a goal from nothing (see the Reading and Norwich goals as prime examples) yet it makes me laugh how some people seem to be so desperate to get rid of him or belittle his stats.

 

If you're purely looking at the results when a particular player participated, you'd find that George Boyd was a key player last season as we averaged 1.63 points per game when he played compared to 1.3 for Hutchinson and 1.42 for Fletcher and Bannan but I don't see anyone slating their stats or complaining that we let Boyd go...

 

 

Excellent post!

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1 hour ago, Bukta said:

We have already offered him a new contract.

 

Have we? Where was that mentioned? 

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18 hours ago, torryowl said:

sadly I think he made a rod for his own back in his Watford days and he's rarely going to get any favours from them …... 

 

JUST BECAUSE ONE ARSEHOLE MAKES A MISTAKE, DOESN'T MEAN THAT ALL THE OTHERS HAVE TO FOLLOW SUIT.  THEY HAVE OBVIOUSLY HAD THEIR HEADS TOGETHER, AND QUITE UNFAIRLY, DECIDED TO MARK HIS CARD.

THAT VIDEO SHOULD BE SENT TO THE FL, AND THOSE IDIOTS THAT IMPOSED THE SIX MATCH BAN.

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The Professional Refs association should watch that video then sack Tim Robinson 

 

The one against Hull ( not even the worst ) to me was total bias on Robinsons part even if he had decided FF had dived the fact that Dawson tried pull him ( Robinson ) should have made him pause but he actually shrugged off Dawson to yellow card FF 

 

All the decisions in that video are criminal and blatant 

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6 hours ago, alanharper said:

 

Was it actually Forestieri's fault that we didn't win more of those games though? Was it down to him that we threw away a 2 goal lead late on against WBA, or that Norwich equalised just after midnight? Of those 13 league starts he made where we didn't win he still scored 6 goals which is a very decent return. And despite that limited game time in a season riddled with injury, suspension and a court appearance looming over him he was still 4th top scorer with those 6 goals from 15 league starts behind Fletcher (11 from 32 starts), Joao (7 from 18 plus 3 goals as sub) and Reach (8 from 43)
 
He was top scorer and top assist maker in his first 2 seasons, and after losing the majority of the following season to injury still came back with 5 goals in the last 8 games. Easily the most talented player we've had in the last 20 years, one of very few players we've had in that time who can fashion a goal from nothing (see the Reading and Norwich goals as prime examples) yet it makes me laugh how some people seem to be so desperate to get rid of him or belittle his stats.

 

If you're purely looking at the results when a particular player participated, you'd find that George Boyd was a key player last season as we averaged 1.63 points per game when he played compared to 1.3 for Hutchinson and 1.42 for Fletcher and Bannan but I don't see anyone slating their stats or complaining that we let Boyd go...

 

 

If players were rated on talent alone he would be one of the best in the last 20 years. Gerald Sibon would be my choice a player good enough to play in the champions league for a very good PSV side. The problem is talent has to be matched with attitude and effort and Nando could be questioned on both. These are the reasons he has never made the step up to the Premier league were talent alone is not enough.

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2 hours ago, matthefish2002 said:

 

Give over!!!

A big reason any player not just FF is at any club is to do money.
 

WTF did ya ask me for then,if you're gunna give an answer for me.

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