RichieB Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Just now, oz_owl said: That's not the full argument though is it. Lingering around the Championship is not as good as getting promoted to the Premier League, but it's significantly better than getting relegated to League 1. And the "brand new players" could end up being worse than the ones we've let go (our track record of recruitment over the past 3-4 years is a little shaky). Failing to get us up isn't the only aspect of this, and there are obvious FFP ramifications for every player recruitment or contract renewal situation. Some of the players on that list will provide us with potentially more value than we could obtain through replacement. And this is what I mean by people being scared of change. You're right we don't know if the club will be smart enough with any freed up wages to recruit well, we could end up in league 1, or the prem, or stay as we are, but one thing I do know, is if we keep the same core of players year after year we ain't ever going up. Keep doing the same thing and keep getting the same results, all whilst we pay top dollar as fans to watch. Most of those players on that list aren't good enough and need moving on, it's time for a change, but that's just my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheriwozgod Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Holmowl said: Who do you think impacts a game more than Nuhiu in our current squad off the bench? TBH i think the whole "Athde game changer off the bench" is a bit of a myth. Looking back over his time with us he perhaps makes a "game changing" cameo sub appearance about every 7 or 8 attempts. We have a number of players (Fletcher, Bannan, Forestieri, Harris, Lee etc) who, if they were on the bench , could come on and "change" a game as much as Athde does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 34 minutes ago, pussface said: ? Lose him for a free otherwise ? He's worth money, maybe not as much as he was but a flurry of goals will change that. With his temperament not the best surely we wanna be tying him down now and then if we do want to get rid we can get a fee for him (albeit something around what we paid) or if he hits form we can demand more. Id like to say the same for Rhodes but I just don't see him ever getting the goals. I would have gone all out to sell him in the summer but would do again in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pussface Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said: Lose him for a free otherwise ? He's worth money, maybe not as much as he was but a flurry of goals will change that. With his temperament not the best surely we wanna be tying him down now and then if we do want to get rid we can get a fee for him (albeit something around what we paid) or if he hits form we can demand more. Id like to say the same for Rhodes but I just don't see him ever getting the goals. I would have gone all out to sell him in the summer but would do again in January. hmm for the amount he'd probably ask for, he's simply not done anyway near enough to be worth it over the last three seasons imo. Way past his peak I fear. His first season with us was brilliant, obviously. Yet since then he's been little value to us really, and I expect him to leave in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarn owl Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 12 hours ago, WelshOwl74 said: The following players contracts end at the end of the season J.Rhodes F.Forestieri S.Fletcher S.Hutchinson J.Pelupessy S.Winnall M.Fox A.Nuhiu C.Dawson K.Lee A.Baker Obviously early days and we don't knoe who monk will favour but if the contracts was to end tomorrow ,who would you offer a new contract to ? Purely on what they could contribute to the future of the team I'd offer Dawson a new contract And fletcher (on much less wages) Rest could leave for me I think it's a big year for certain people on this list to proof they are worthy of a new deal. Looking at the fact our entire front line is out of contract is interesting. It puts pressure on FF, Rhodes, Winnall and Nuhiu to get minutes one way or another. I think Fletch in theory would get a new deal, but isn't he on big money? I would offer him an extension now but put at a slightly reduced wage due to age and then add incentives. away from the forward line i would extend right now Dawson, Hutch, Fox (might be controversial, but Sunderland showed he may hold value and we may get a fee), Baker. Hutch for me has showed his fitness has at least improved so i would want to keep. If Lee can stay fit until Jan i would offer him an extension then. Pelupessy needs to proof himself, otherwise if today was May, he could go. As for forward line, i think FF has value so i would offer an extension in Jan if has recovered from all the bad stuff he has gone through. Winnall, Rhodes and Nuhiu i don't think hold value for a transfer fee, so unless they have a big season, they could go. It is interesting to track how these guys play this year, and if the club will extend a bit earlier this year with big assets like Hutch and Fletch being out of contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookone Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Monk may or may not get the best out of some players, it will all depend on how the team develops under him between now and January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 We should have fixed-term membership on Owlstalk and have a clear out now and again of some of the plantpots. We could make a list and all debate what contribution they make to the site. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: We should have fixed-term membership on Owlstalk and have a clear out now and again of some of the plantpots. We could make a list and all debate what contribution they make to the site. Well I think I’m earning my £0 transfer fee and my £0 per week OT wage. Though some would disagree. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Well I think I’m earning my £0 transfer fee and my £0 per week OT wage. Though some would disagree. I’d keep you at least until FF leaves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chow Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 It’ll be like starting again which tbh would be nice. I personally think we need a new platform to build from along side a manager that’s here long term and hope it still is monk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew6666 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Some of those players may fit Monks style of play better than they have other managers - it will be worth seeing how they fair under Monk rather than writing any off under previous managers. Remember, one of those managers was Jos and nobody came out of that period with any credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I thought Rhodes signed a 4 year contract back in the summer of 2017 - he should have another season with us after this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadsleyOwl Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 This will be where the gravy train ends. Lets hope DC has learnt his lesson and no more silly daft contracts to abolute wasters, losers and injury prone fading footballers. I want to see a plan and a more prudent sensible approach to the running of SWFC not just a quck fix chuck some money at it in the hope it delivers the Premier League millions. In my opinion were a million miles from that. I read this the other day, when i read something along the same lines but its about SWFC then i'll believe theres a concrete plan to build a club with proper solid foundations https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/yorkshire/deal-proposed-for-new-leeds-united-training-ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 minute ago, cowl said: I thought Rhodes signed a 4 year contract back in the summer of 2017 - he should have another season with us after this one. Sure Jordan Rhodes is a nice bloke but football wise he is an expensive bad smell we can't seem to get rid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, cowl said: I thought Rhodes signed a 4 year contract back in the summer of 2017 - he should have another season with us after this one. Think that was a rumour started by someone called J.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky belly Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 5 hours ago, handworth52 said: if you have been to every game this season like I have every player can go on that list ,last 5 games have been shocking its like some of the players have been here too long and have lost interest or is it just age catching up with them? Completely agree with you. I don’t know what the answer is and who we should look to keep specifically. But I do know a massive rebuild job is required and I wouldn’t be sad if everyone of those players left the club in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pussface Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, WadsleyOwl said: This will be where the gravy train ends. Lets hope DC has learnt his lesson and no more silly daft contracts to abolute wasters, losers and injury prone fading footballers. I want to see a plan and a more prudent sensible approach to the running of SWFC not just a quck fix chuck some money at it in the hope it delivers the Premier League millions. In my opinion were a million miles from that. I read this the other day, when i read something along the same lines but its about SWFC then i'll believe theres a concrete plan to build a club with proper solid foundations https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/yorkshire/deal-proposed-for-new-leeds-united-training-ground Remember. Westwood, Lee & Lees were signed for nothing. Van Aken, Rhodes & Abdi alone cost approx £14million.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Horse Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 No idea why there's such sentiment for Hutchinson. He's one of the old guard of failure from the play-offs and is either injured, suspended or offering nothing else but hanging round the defence chatting to best mate Westwood. As others have said, we need a good clean sweep out of the old guard and there's no room for sentiment. Only Fletcher comes away with any pride in that list and even then he needs to accept a massive pay cut. There's a lot of wages to free up there and we'll still be in FFP waters next summer. Freshen up, let Monk get his vision together ready for DC to spend sensibly the season after next. Yup. It's that long term we have to look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggoisgod Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Based on the comments on here lately I'm expecting Fox to get a new 10 year deal before May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 14 hours ago, WelshOwl74 said: The following players contracts end at the end of the season J.Rhodes F.Forestieri S.Fletcher S.Hutchinson J.Pelupessy S.Winnall M.Fox A.Nuhiu C.Dawson K.Lee A.Baker Obviously early days and we don't knoe who monk will favour but if the contracts was to end tomorrow ,who would you offer a new contract to ? Purely on what they could contribute to the future of the team I'd offer Dawson a new contract And fletcher (on much less wages) Rest could leave for me So based on this list we will have no strikers at the club if we resign none of them. Somewhat of a very worrying stat, but I thought Rhodes had another yet of his contract. Offering new deal Fletcher and fessi but on reduced terms, Dawson,Lee and Hutch (but to develop into a player coaching role), the rest can go for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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