jonesy87shef Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Everywhere & nowhere said: Sounds a bit like being in the prem outside the top 6 Hmm so would you rather do that in this league or the division aboive. Seeing better quality players, having cup runs and the potential of European football. Come off it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew6666 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Monk was never my first choice, but thinking about it he does have higher league experience, big player experience, is young, and is a 'modern' type of manager. A bit iffy on his transfer dealings, but I'm sure this will now be scrutinised closely. Looking forward to seeing how he goes, I hope he is given time, which his previous employers don't seem to have given him. I also admire DC for not poaching or tapping up another clubs manager. Are we becoming the 'good conscience' club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everywhere & nowhere Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, jonesy87shef said: Hmm so would you rather do that in this league or the division aboive. Seeing better quality players, having cup runs and the potential of European football. Come off it No - just joking / observing that survival and possible mediocrity in the prem are the target for a lot of prem teams :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy87shef Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Just now, Everywhere & nowhere said: No - just joking / observing that survival and possible mediocrity in the prem are the target for a lot of prem teams :) Fair play. It is a bit poo at times. The sides who tend to ‘have a go’ get rewarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gizowl Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 On 06/09/2019 at 14:50, paddyowl said: Would have all them (Except McLaren) instead of Monk. If Monk is announced this afternoon it will be a massively underwhelming appointment, I'd rather us stick with Lee Bullen. 7 weeks and we've ended up here FFS !! Bit like parliament on here can't agree on the colour of sh..I.. t.e, everyone has a opinion, I'm prepared to roll with it and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Ive thought long and hard about a positive spin on Monk...and after hours of anguish ive got... Maybe they won't find his hard drive...................... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 9 hours ago, WalthamOwl said: Having slept on it it’s a decent appointment. If we weren’t so heavily linked with Cowley I think a lot more people would be happy with Monk getting the job, especially when you consider how at one point it looked like it could be Pulis, Coleman or Zola. As long as Cowley doesn’t go to Huddersfield, which for me would be a real kick in the balls! How do you know Cowley will be all that? He’s got one promotion from League 2 on his CV and some non league ones. We’re in the second tier of English football where players average salaries are 15k a week. It’s lightyears away from the Cowley’s. I’m glad we dodged it to be honest, would have just been a massive risk. People who prefer the Cowley’s to Monk are romanticising about something that might not even be there tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gizowl Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 7 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said: My post was three separate routes we could have gone down. Would like us to build something. Monk just seems like a quick fix to me. I appreciate Chansiri’s English isn’t great and he doesn’t like the press, but his reason for appointing Monk was that ‘he did well at Birmingham and they didn’t have very good players’. Hardly fills me with confidence. This is a bloke who has been a manager for 5 years and has had 4 clubs already and a history of falling out with chairmen and walking. Currently being investigated for dodgy transfer dealings. I apologise if I’m not enthusiastic about this appointment - just apathy really. Why not apply for the DOF position you keep withering on about, you seem to know more than the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: How do you know Cowley will be all that? He’s got one promotion from League 2 on his CV and some non league ones. We’re in the second tier of English football where players average salaries are 15k a week. It’s lightyears away from the Cowley’s. I’m glad we dodged it to be honest, would have just been a massive risk. People who prefer the Cowley’s to Monk are romanticising about something that might not even be there tbh I think fans found the Cowleys attractive because it was not yer run of the mill roundabout Championship manager, which Monk, Pulis Holloway etc are. Lets face it...Once Bruce had gone we needed something different.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 minute ago, asteener1867 said: I think fans found the Cowleys attractive because it was not yer run of the mill roundabout Championship manager, which Monk, Pulis Holloway etc are. Lets face it...Once Bruce had gone we needed something different.. Maybe it’s just me, but I’d imagine the higher up the ladder you go, the harder it is being a manager. I’m sure that these run of the mill championship managers would do well in League 2 tbf.. people think that because the Cowley’s are unproven at this level means it’s more likely they’ll be a success than other managers who have tried and failed In reality it’s likely the opposite because they will need to make mistakes to learn. Particularly when the difference between League 2 and the Championship is a vast gulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gizowl Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, jonesy87shef said: Where did I say we were? I hate when people blame the fans. Its just bloody annoying being happy or content with mediocrity. Just plod along being unambitious, just surviving. Where’s the fun in that. Looking back, I think we're pretty much back to where we were before DC took over but no manager can guarantee success, Hughton was my first choice, while on holiday talking to a couple of Brighton fans who said the last 18 months of his tenure was simply dreadful and he had to go. The love in with the Cowleys with some was questionable, they've only managed in lower leagues. DC was never going to pay compensation for a manager,it had become apparent Bullen wasn't the answer so I think it was just DC'S personal preference and don't forget he can't promise an open cheque book anymore,so we're not as attractive as 3yrs ago. Edited September 7, 2019 by gizowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 26 minutes ago, gizowl said: Why not apply for the DOF position you keep withering on about, you seem to know more than the rest of us. Withering on now equates to a single post on Owlstalk now I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueOwl Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: I think he has arguably a higher ceiling and standing than Bruce in British football. You really think that? Bruce is yesterday’s man. He has as good a record as any in the championship but that doesn’t count for much - he has historically struggled in the prem and has one of the lowest win percentages in the premier league despite his experience over the likes of Monk. Monk imo so far has demonstrated more aptitude in the top tier and more promise than Bruce did at this stage of his managerial career. In terms of reputation I don’t think there is a lot in it and I genuinely think Monk could surpass Bruce as I don’t rate Bruce’s managerial career as being particularly successful. Edited September 7, 2019 by TrueOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 14 hours ago, jonesy87shef said: Hmm so would you rather do that in this league or the division aboive. Seeing better quality players, having cup runs and the potential of European football. Come off it I watch the PL, it's flipping paint drying tedium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 hours ago, TrueOwl said: Bruce is yesterday’s man. He has as good a record as any in the championship but that doesn’t count for much - he has historically struggled in the prem and has one of the lowest win percentages in the premier league despite his experience over the likes of Monk. Monk imo so far has demonstrated more aptitude in the top tier and more promise than Bruce did at this stage of his managerial career. In terms of reputation I don’t think there is a lot in it and I genuinely think Monk could surpass Bruce as I don’t rate Bruce’s managerial career as being particularly successful. The revisionism over Bruce is something. He's a yeoman dinosaur, but coming after the two continental charlatans beforehand, he looked like a Messiah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 19 hours ago, TrueOwl said: Bruce is yesterday’s man. He has as good a record as any in the championship but that doesn’t count for much - he has historically struggled in the prem and has one of the lowest win percentages in the premier league despite his experience over the likes of Monk. Monk imo so far has demonstrated more aptitude in the top tier and more promise than Bruce did at this stage of his managerial career. In terms of reputation I don’t think there is a lot in it and I genuinely think Monk could surpass Bruce as I don’t rate Bruce’s managerial career as being particularly successful. Love this type of OT discussion where ITK and IMO tells it how it is rather than fact and reality. For the record: Bruce Reached FA Cup Final with Hull and qualified for Europa League Promoted with Birmingham Reached and won First Division Play-Offs with Birmingham & Hull (twice) Reached Championship Play-Off Final with Aston Villa Reached Second Division play-offs with Wigan Premier League finishes 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th (twice) Currently managing a mid-table team in Premier League Managed for 909 games with a win percentage of 38.4% Gary Monk Reached Round of 32 in Europa League Finished 8th in Premier League Currently managing a mid-table team in Championship Managed for 215 games with a win percentage of 39.1% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: Love this type of OT discussion where ITK and IMO tells it how it is rather than fact and reality. For the record: Bruce Reached FA Cup Final with Hull and qualified for Europa League Promoted with Birmingham Reached and won First Division Play-Offs with Birmingham & Hull (twice) Reached Championship Play-Off Final with Aston Villa Reached Second Division play-offs with Wigan Premier League finishes 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th (twice) Currently managing a mid-table team in Premier League Managed for 909 games with a win percentage of 38.4% Gary Monk Reached Round of 32 in Europa League Finished 8th in Premier League Currently managing a mid-table team in Championship Managed for 215 games with a win percentage of 39.1% In the interest of fairness it would be interesting to see what Bruce had achieved at Monk's age 1 Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 The more this pans out the more I really like the idea of Garry Monk! We haven't had anyone in recent history with his edge, his passion on the touch line and his "style to fit the players" ethos! Good 1st game for him after the Wagner touch line assault incident! Hopefully he will make us hated by opposition fans! If that happens we'll be a good side.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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