Pulis

[Adem Poric]

15 minutes ago, shezzas left peg said:

Hmmm here's food for thought. 

When Liverpool used to play constant long balls up to torres with Gerrard bombing forward it under a European continental manager with raffa benitez and won champs league. 

It was wonderful and fantastic counter attacking football. 

 

When Sam or pullis do it with teams like Bolton and Stoke its old dinosaur clogger ball. 

 

 

Fuck off. Liverpool had Hamann, Alonso and Gerrard in midfield when Benitez was manager. Long range passing is completely different to long ball football. Gerrard playing it inbetween two defenders for Torres to run onto is not long ball football. Smashing it forward and hoping the big man holds it and wins a corner, free kick or throw in so you can load the box is long ball football. There's no technique and there's no enjoyment.

 

Attacking fast pace football can be technical and enjoyable. We were playing it at the start of the season. 

 

An organised flat back four with no creativity going forward is the Pulis way. It's not football and if you have to pay £35- £45 a time it should not be acceptable.

[tommycockles]

12 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said:

 

Yeah he definitely seems to have a type of player he likes signing. At the minute imo we have very few of his type of player. Don’t do it DC. 

 

36 minutes ago, flo said:

West Brom suffered with the very old and dull squad that they were left with after Pulis left with nothing to sell.

Rondon, Chadli, Burke, Rodriguez, Livermore, Chester, Evans, Gibbs, Phillips, etc, all Pulis at West Brom!!!!!, to be fair id take pretty much all of them now at Hillsborough!!!!

[dorian gray]

2 hours ago, WalthamOwl said:

I really hope we don’t bring him in. The style of football would be amongst the worse we have seen for a long time. Boro fans I know hated him as manager. And as for that stupid flippinghat he wears! 

win ratio, not style. 

bring style into it when 4-0 up, go back to substance over style at 4-2 (don't let it get any worse than that).

[kevtheowl]

1 hour ago, i used to be sc_owl said:

 

This sort of argument is turning me off Owlstalk. 

 

Criticise Pulis, so you must think is better. 

 

Criticise Chansiri, so you must think Allen was better. 

 

Criticise our performance, so losing at home to Burton was better. 

 

Criticise the kit, so the crap one from a few years ago was better. 

 

Criticise our spending, so no spending must be better. 

 

Criticise our sales strategy, so selling desperately was better. 

 

There is no consideration given to the circumstances surrounding each topic of debate and this site is just becoming an echo chamber of polarised opinions where who shouts loudest is heard better and reasoned, rational debate is lost. 

 

Yes, I’m having a bad day. 

Just trying to look at the bigger picture !!  How many teams get promoted from this division playing poor football, I’ll tell ya it happens every bleeding season. We tried the football way and almost did it. Maybe a different approach is needed, pulis could be that man.   UTO 

[shezzas left peg]

13 minutes ago, Adem Poric said:

 

Fuck off. Liverpool had Hamann, Alonso and Gerrard in midfield when Benitez was manager. Long range passing is completely different to long ball football. Gerrard playing it inbetween two defenders for Torres to run onto is not long ball football. Smashing it forward and hoping the big man holds it and wins a corner, free kick or throw in so you can load the box is long ball football. There's no technique and there's no enjoyment.

 

Attacking fast pace football can be technical and enjoyable. We were playing it at the start of the season. 

 

An organised flat back four with no creativity going forward is the Pulis way. It's not football and if you have to pay £35- £45 a time it should not be acceptable.

Your forgetting macherano ad Lucas that where defencive midfielders and not very cultured on the ball that used to just sit in front of the back four and defend so was hamman most of the time. 

[WalthamOwl]

Pulis is coming to the end of his management career. Would probably just see us as one last big pay day. I would much rather us take a chance on Cowley than him. 

[mogbad]

2 hours ago, poite said:

On one condition.

 

His number 2

 

 

As the saying goes, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Nightmare scenario. 

[striker]

I'd be distraught if Pulis was appointed.

 

Sure I won't be missed but zero chance of me making the 400 mile round trip to watch a Pulis team 

[Gob_Bluth]

Pulis has 1 promotion from the Championship on his CV and that was 11 years ago. It's a myth he's championship promotion specialist - he isn't really what we should be looking at.

 

His MO isn't really getting teams promoted to the Premier League, it's taking teams that should be getting relegated from the Premier League and keeping them there. 

 

Two very different prospects.

[tommycockles]

3 minutes ago, Gob_Bluth said:

Pulis has 1 promotion from the Championship on his CV and that was 11 years ago. It's a myth he's championship promotion specialist - he isn't really what we should be looking at.

 

His MO isn't really getting teams promoted to the Premier League, it's taking teams that should be getting relegated from the Premier League and keeping them there. 

 

Two very different prospects.

I'm no Pulis advocate, but thats a bit disingenuous, a big reason he has just one champ promotion on his c.v is that he got stoke up in 2007 and then spent the next 10 years as a premier league manager!!!!

[Adem Poric]

31 minutes ago, shezzas left peg said:

Your forgetting macherano ad Lucas that where defencive midfielders and not very cultured on the ball that used to just sit in front of the back four and defend so was hamman most of the time. 

 

So what? Having a defensive midfielder doesn't make you long ball merchants. Barcelona have had Busquets at the base of their midfield for years. 

 

I've got no issue with us playing Hutch at the base of midfield (even though he's a better CB) because he can protect the defence for if the full backs get forward. If he gets the ball he should play his role properly and give it to better footballers who can create something.

 

Pulis' teams play a narrow four at the back, all big lads who are there to attack the ball at set pieces. They aren't going to be giving width, they aren't looking to receive a pass and when they have the ball they aren't looking to play passes into feet. Get the ball and pump it forward. Get a set piece. Horrible.

 

Edited September 2, 2019 by Adem Poric

[Sonny]

Awful awful scenes in this thread.

 

Sad to see really

[sweetsheri]

35 minutes ago, striker said:

I'd be distraught if Pulis was appointed.

 

Sure I won't be missed but zero chance of me making the 400 mile round trip to watch a Pulis team 

I take it you haven't been coming since the turn of the millennium then?

[shezzas left peg]

29 minutes ago, Adem Poric said:

 

So what? Having a defensive midfielder doesn't make you long ball merchants. Barcelona have had Busquets at the base of their midfield for years. 

 

I've got no issue with us playing Hutch at the base of midfield (even though he's a better CB) because he can protect the defence for if the full backs get forward. If he gets the ball he should play his role properly and give it to better footballers who can create something.

 

Pulis' teams play a narrow four at the back, all big lads who are there to attack the ball at set pieces. They aren't going to be giving width, they aren't looking to receive a pass and when they have the ball they aren't looking to play passes into feet. Get the ball and pump it forward. Get a set piece. Horrible.

 

My point was it depends if its a foreign manager or from a British manager. 

I mentioned Sam at Bolton. 

Sheridan & sellers in midfield who were replaced with, let's see. 

He had djorkaef ex milan French international star, campos at cb ex Madrid ball playing cb, and who can forget the very gifted jj okotcha in that side, plus some other very cultured footballers, but just becouse it was Sam and Bolton it was long ball clogger that was my point. 

[shezzas left peg]

57 minutes ago, Adem Poric said:

 

So what? Having a defensive midfielder doesn't make you long ball merchants. Barcelona have had Busquets at the base of their midfield for years. 

 

I've got no issue with us playing Hutch at the base of midfield (even though he's a better CB) because he can protect the defence for if the full backs get forward. If he gets the ball he should play his role properly and give it to better footballers who can create something.

 

Pulis' teams play a narrow four at the back, all big lads who are there to attack the ball at set pieces. They aren't going to be giving width, they aren't looking to receive a pass and when they have the ball they aren't looking to play passes into feet. Get the ball and pump it forward. Get a set piece. Horrible.

 

Long ball dinosaur Sam allardyce Bolton side in the 90s

[Adem Poric]

28 minutes ago, shezzas left peg said:

My point was it depends if its a foreign manager or from a British manager. 

I mentioned Sam at Bolton. 

Sheridan & sellers in midfield who were replaced with, let's see. 

He had djorkaef ex milan French international star, campos at cb ex Madrid ball playing cb, and who can forget the very gifted jj okotcha in that side, plus some other very cultured footballers, but just becouse it was Sam and Bolton it was long ball clogger that was my point. 

 

4 minutes ago, shezzas left peg said:

Long ball dinosaur Sam allardyce Bolton side in the 90s

 

So in your defence of Pulis you've moved from saying that Liverpool under Benitez were a long ball team to Bolton under Allardyce were not? 

 

How is this your argument for Pulis?

 

He plays dogshit hoofball.

 

He demands a massive salary for his dogshit hoofball.

 

We charge the highest prices in the league.

 

It's not acceptable.

 

 

Doesn't matter though because Bolton had JJ Okocha 20 years ago. 

 

Fuck off.

[shezzas left peg]

20 minutes ago, Adem Poric said:

 

 

So in your defence of Pulis you've moved from saying that Liverpool under Benitez were a long ball team to Bolton under Allardyce were not? 

 

How is this your argument for Pulis?

 

He plays dogshit hoofball.

 

He demands a massive salary for his dogshit hoofball.

 

We charge the highest prices in the league.

 

It's not acceptable.

 

 

Doesn't matter though because Bolton had JJ Okocha 20 years ago. 

 

Fuck off.

Hmm abuse!! So intelligent You one of those whiney scouse fans in disguise. 

My point was that people's view of so called long ball football seems to depend on the club and manager that plays it. 

 

I'm not a massive fan of pullis myself, but I also got bored of the tippy tappy 15 sideways and backwards passing we got stuck with either. 

I'd like whomever we do end up with to make us adaptable enough play a mix of both personally. Though we'll see. 

[prowl]

5 hours ago, WalthamOwl said:

I really hope we don’t bring him in. The style of football would be amongst the worse we have seen for a long time. Boro fans I know hated him as manager. And as for that stupid flippinghat he wears! 

I don't care what hat a manager wears if he gets us winning games and gains promotion.

[cognacbarnowl]

12 minutes ago, prowl said:

I don't care what hat a manager wears if he gets us winning games and gains promotion.

 

 

He could wear twohats on his head if he got us promoted, FFS 

[mattitheowl]

1 hour ago, shezzas left peg said:

Hmm abuse!! So intelligent You one of those whiney scouse fans in disguise. 

My point was that people's view of so called long ball football seems to depend on the club and manager that plays it. 

 

I'm not a massive fan of pullis myself, but I also got bored of the tippy tappy 15 sideways and backwards passing we got stuck with either. 

I'd like whomever we do end up with to make us adaptable enough play a mix of both personally. Though we'll see. 

 

But it's nailed on that that isn't what Pulis will bring.  He has one way of playing and that's it.  Boro scored 49 goals last season, Rotherham got more!  We managed 60!  49 goals in 46 games is abysmal at any level regardless of where you finish.  And it certainly doesn't indicate any kind of half decent quality of football.