Rotherham - V - Wednesday (League Cup) OMDT

[Ballmeist]

Can we watch this on the red button on sky or is that only league games? 

[Minton]

16 minutes ago, Ballmeist said:

Can we watch this on the red button on sky or is that only league games? 

Pretty sure it's only midweek league games 

[therac]

Well said Snoots.  I really feel for them. Years ago my mate derek and I used to go to every match at Scarborough, and stand behind the goal.  Poor old Derek ended up as the secretary who had to put them into administration, despite a long history and no support from the FA who decided to make an example of them.  Beat Wigan to win the FA trophy in 1973...Then got into the league and had to pay more out to upgrade players and stands and so on.  Careful what you wish for in this game these days.

[Mid Wicket]

Like the cut of your Jib on this one Snoots..

Absolute greed at the top end... Their neighbours have enough cash to bail them out with a one off payment and get a supporters shareholding to run the club but would rather pay it lip service and say how sorry they are. In fact have their giant neighbours even commented on this? a months wages to one of their own players.  

[Minton]

2 hours ago, bigthinrob said:

2 Things stick in my mind re this shower ( EFL).

 

1:- is why scheduled games that Bury were supposed to play (including us) that could have generated income weren’t allowed to go ahead because of EFL ruling. Games where I’m sure, the likes of us would have given generously as we have in the past. 

 

And 2:- Unconnected to the Bury debacle and on the good old subject of FFP or whatever name they have now dressed it up as.

 

Why, when the thing has been in force for God knows how many years, are the allowable losses of 39k over 3 years not index linked?

 

They (EFL) stabbed at a figure years ago & it has remained at that ever since. So in real terms the allowable losses have decreased year  on year making life that much more difficult for clubs.

 

The EFL seem to act as some some of equivalent of our very own SAG in respect of making life as difficult as possible for its ‘members’ eg Bury, as do SAG with us.

 

Whereas SAG. would probably just shrug it’s shoulders if they brought about our demise, it seems the EFL have just shrugged theirs at the demise of a traditional old club for the sake of a couple of quid in real terms.

 

EFL = SHAMBLES

 

 

 

1) They have no players, no staff, no electricity, no water, no gas, no training facilities, no stewards, no safety certificate, no police, nothing. There was quite simply no way they could play any games. Plus any money made from tickets would have been swallowed by interest and back dated wages owed. 

 

2 - The P&S level of losses may well change, however I would expect them to be lowered rather than raised. The whole point of the rules is to stop clubs doing a Bolton, but it's not something that can happen overnight, it will take years of steadily bringing clubs towards being at the very minimum sustainable and ideally profitable. 

 

And before the inevitable "premier league teams skew it", they have different P&S rules that restrict things like increase of wages and spending to income ratios to stop clubs coming up and increasing their wage structures and transfer spending to levels that would be unsustainable should they be relegated.

 

The only shambles are the clubs themselves, the EFL don't run or own the clubs, just apply the rules to 72 individually run business that are agreed by these 72 individually run businesses that participate in the league. What do you think the EFL could have done to save Bury? 

 

 

[nevthelodgemoorowl]

THE TRICKLE DOWN THEORY OF CAPITALISM.

 

Here is how it works... All the money, assets, buildings, land is distributed to 1% of the population.

 

That's it !

 

THE REST OF US PLEBS CAN JUST F**K  OFF.

 

Post script :- “Rise like lions after slumber, in unvanquishable number! Shake your chains to earth like dew, which in sleep had fallen on you: ye are many – they are few!”

It applies just as much to football, as it does any other facet of society. We are the EFL, We are the FA if they can not handle the job we must sweep them aside ! 

  

[Minton]

4 minutes ago, Jakes Grandad said:

Like the cut of your Jib on this one Snoots..

Absolute greed at the top end... Their neighbours have enough cash to bail them out with a one off payment and get a supporters shareholding to run the club but would rather pay it lip service and say how sorry they are. In fact have their giant neighbours even commented on this? a months wages to one of their own players.  

 

A one off payment to an owner that has run them into the ground in the hope of an asset stripping payday.

 

A one off payment to a club that overspent on players to gain promotion to gain an advantage over other clubs.

 

A one off payment that will leave the other 22 clubs that have kept themselves solvent thinking "where is our free £15m investment from a rich club that happens to be close by? Why should Bury be rewarded for being an utter financial clusterfuck?"

 

Fairness works in many ways and to reward the way that Bury has been run would be completely unfair to all the other clubs. 

[Ray Von shabba]

18 minutes ago, Minton said:

 

A one off payment to an owner that has run them into the ground in the hope of an asset stripping payday.

 

A one off payment to a club that overspent on players to gain promotion to gain an advantage over other clubs.

 

A one off payment that will leave the other 22 clubs that have kept themselves solvent thinking "where is our free £15m investment from a rich club that happens to be close by? Why should Bury be rewarded for being an utter financial clusterfuck?"

 

Fairness works in many ways and to reward the way that Bury has been run would be completely unfair to all the other clubs. 

 

Totally hear what you're saying and fair point BUT it's the fans that matter here.

[Minton]

5 minutes ago, Ray Von shabba said:

 

Totally hear what you're saying and fair point BUT it's the fans that matter here.

 

And what about the fans of the other 70 clubs that get shafted?

 

All bailing them out would encourage is more chancer owners doing the same and causing more heartache for even more fans 

Edited August 28, 2019 by Minton

[Hookowl]

58 minutes ago, therac said:

Well said Snoots.  I really feel for them. Years ago my mate derek and I used to go to every match at Scarborough, and stand behind the goal.  Poor old Derek ended up as the secretary who had to put them into administration, despite a long history and no support from the FA who decided to make an example of them.  Beat Wigan to win the FA trophy in 1973...Then got into the league and had to pay more out to upgrade players and stands and so on.  Careful what you wish for in this game these days.

Had a few mates who played for Scarborough back then, Bob Todd, Pete Jackson, John Woodhall.

[bassdrinker]

11 hours ago, Lord Snooty said:

The Football League says tonight that  it's with deep regret that with no buyer found in time they have had no choice but to remove Bury from the League. 

The football League....the same football league who two years ago said they were reviewing their Fit and Proper persons test for club ownership. 

That worked then. 

 

 

 

Well put Snoots, everything that is wrong in the game summed up in a single sentence.

[N0rtherner]

Excellent, Lord, Wednesday need to go out there today and play their hearts out. Forget Rotherham, forget the cup. Just play their best as one last tribute to Bury and those who no longer can. fizz, we should wear black armbands tonight...

[Snowyowl61]

Such a sad state of affairs which gives an absolute lie to those people (usually the ones that run the game) who have maintained down the years that as the Premiership gets richer then the trickle-down effect would ensure that clubs lower down the football pyramid would all benefit financially. What a total load of b@ll*cks. Selfishness and greed are ruining OUR (and it is OUR) game. RIP Bury. We can only hope that a club may form from the ashes and start in a lower league then climb back to some prominence to give pride back to its community.

[bdmfournil]

10 minutes ago, Minton said:

 

And what about the fans of the other 70 clubs that get shafted?

 

All bailing them out would encourage is more chancer owners doing the same and causing more heartache for even more fans 

 

The EFL due diligence procedure on the last owner, who has an unbelievable record for sending companies into insolvency, might have helped.

[S36 OWL]

11 minutes ago, Snowyowl61 said:

Such a sad state of affairs which gives an absolute lie to those people (usually the ones that run the game) who have maintained down the years that as the Premiership gets richer then the trickle-down effect would ensure that clubs lower down the football pyramid would all benefit financially. What a total load of b@ll*cks. Selfishness and greed are ruining OUR (and it is OUR) game. RIP Bury. We can only hope that a club may form from the ashes and start in a lower league then climb back to some prominence to give pride back to its community.

 

The money dosnt trickle down though. Its goes in the pockets of parasite agents and greedy players. THATS where the money goes.

[bigthinrob]

54 minutes ago, Minton said:

 

1) They have no players, no staff, no electricity, no water, no gas, no training facilities, no stewards, no safety certificate, no police, nothing. There was quite simply no way they could play any games. Plus any money made from tickets would have been swallowed by interest and back dated wages owed. 

 

2 - The P&S level of losses may well change, however I would expect them to be lowered rather than raised. The whole point of the rules is to stop clubs doing a Bolton, but it's not something that can happen overnight, it will take years of steadily bringing clubs towards being at the very minimum sustainable and ideally profitable. 

 

And before the inevitable "premier league teams skew it", they have different P&S rules that restrict things like increase of wages and spending to income ratios to stop clubs coming up and increasing their wage structures and transfer spending to levels that would be unsustainable should they be relegated.

 

The only shambles are the clubs themselves, the EFL don't run or own the clubs, just apply the rules to 72 individually run business that are agreed by these 72 individually run businesses that participate in the league. What do you think the EFL could have done to save Bury? 

 

 

There’s simply too much to address there, but a couple of quick points. 

 

My understanding is they DO  have players but not paid for ages( May be wrong).

 

The stewards & other personnel would have been ours for the Wednesday game & i’m pretty sure things could have been sorted looking st the rallying response of the fans.

 

The p & s rules (whatever they have tagged it this week) are restrictive & anti business. The problem is the ‘ fit for purpose’ checks on the owners & chairmen. Why should a billionaire who wants to invest his money be denied in doing so?  

 

The gap between the EFL & champ will get wider with them getting richer & the rest getting poorer, even if run by someone like DC  who is desperate to invest his millions.

 

Dont buy the bulk of your argument at all. You don’t address my point of index linking. 

The EFL are living in the past and need to concentrate on fairness & support for their ‘members’ rather than their obsession with branding & marketing.

[Steelman]

I blame Sky for all of this. Their relentless commercialisation and gentrification of football mean it's no longer the peoples game. They've killed the Premier League as a competition and they're slowly killing the Championship with Parachute Payments and messing about with Kick off times. They've inflated players wages and attracted bottom feeders like agents and SOME owners who are all lining their pockets. I just wish the whole bubble would burst.

 

Sky would have you believe that the game was dying on it's backside before they "rescued" it in the 90's. Absolute cobblers. We must all resist Sky by any means necessary. They are literally the evil empire.

 

 

[madfan]

Just been listening to Greg Dyke, who basically said tough. Obviously could'nt give a sh!t. Just like cynicle Sky. Says it all really.

Protect his Premier mates and keep himself in clover.  Plainly obvious what the answer is but while ever they are rolling in sky cash

is it going to change ?

[BowOwl]

The decent thing any club could do (IE one of the Manchesters) is host a friendly game against Bury during the internationals.

Good run out for the big team kids, probably a good crowd, share of money to Bury for ticket sales.

Doesn't harm anyone, doesn't encourage bad owners or overspending etc, maybe just gives the local fans some cash and a chance of setting up the new club. 

But nope, shirt sales in Dubai & China probably more important than local British towns.

[Ray Von shabba]

54 minutes ago, Minton said:

 

And what about the fans of the other 70 clubs that get shafted?

 

All bailing them out would encourage is more chancer owners doing the same and causing more heartache for even more fans 

Again, fair point but I just feel sorry for the fans.

Maybe some sort of legislation could be put in place to make owners more responsible and accountable.

Don't know the answer but I do know fans certainly shouldn't suffer the consequences.