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22 hours ago, RichieB said:

 

Ha, joke reporting on the situation by a 'Victoria Wood', you couldn't make it up. Except she did. There was a lane on Penistone Road closed off, it wasn't 'pitch black' and when do you ever see traffic 'hurtling' along there after match days? 

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Possible option and my personal observations over 50 years of leaving the North Stand via LL whilst watching the ground progressively being netted off or closed down....

 

It is important to go back to square one here to formulate a solution that allows full stadium capacity  at 35000+ to be safely achieved, not simply add to or make up for the ‘interpretations’ demanded up to this point and also with a view to any future development of the ‘world cup’ scheme.

 

Less than 1500 away fans then original arrangements seem reasonable even according to SYPs own report.

 

The construction of a bridge needs only to occur when full away capacity is to be regularly accommodated.

If away contingents exceed 1500-2000 then holdback works in a smaller reservoir.  Without a bridge,  larger contingents of say 4500 can be accommodated by extending the holdback reservoir further back towards the end of the south stand rather than blocking say a 6.0m strip for the north stand exit.

 

Segregation distances are ridiculous and I suspect more about reducing capacity to SAGs ever onerous demands than maintaining a safe distance between fans.  The GG states that Segregation should be reasonable and proportionate.

 

GG also states that ‘Management’ should recognise that practices can have both positive and negative effects on efficiency of circulation including Segregation arrangements which necessitate extra barriers, divided concourses and sealed off areas or dead ends’....FAIL

 

Get those dangerous bollards removed...FAIL

 

SYP to stop parking their vans by the bridge ...FAIL...and coaches should be moved to Catch Bar Lane to main the maximum width of road towards tram stops etc.  SYP vans can then be used to block Catch Bar Lane at either end if they need Kettling practice and also be ready for convoy to escort the coaches away from the city.

 

Communication with users of the stadium...FAIL...I am sure folk would be more understanding if they knew this was part of a limited trial process that we can all learn from.

 

In fairness to the MMU report, the calculations are consistent with Green Guide recommendations but crucially is silent on the wider aspects and alternatives...Zone X routes away from the stadium and that all non essential persons including those spoiling for a fight, filming on their phones or waiting for others delayed by poor exit strategies, must be kept moving when leaving the stadium and beyond....FAIL

 

Might work?

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Flat Owl said:

Possible option and my personal observations over 50 years of leaving the North Stand via LL whilst watching the ground progressively being netted off or closed down....

 

It is important to go back to square one here to formulate a solution that allows full stadium capacity  at 35000+ to be safely achieved, not simply add to or make up for the ‘interpretations’ demanded up to this point and also with a view to any future development of the ‘world cup’ scheme.

 

Less than 1500 away fans then original arrangements seem reasonable even according to SYPs own report.

 

The construction of a bridge needs only to occur when full away capacity is to be regularly accommodated.

If away contingents exceed 1500-2000 then holdback works in a smaller reservoir.  Without a bridge,  larger contingents of say 4500 can be accommodated by extending the holdback reservoir further back towards the end of the south stand rather than blocking say a 6.0m strip for the north stand exit.

 

Segregation distances are ridiculous and I suspect more about reducing capacity to SAGs ever onerous demands than maintaining a safe distance between fans.  The GG states that Segregation should be reasonable and proportionate.

 

GG also states that ‘Management’ should recognise that practices can have both positive and negative effects on efficiency of circulation including Segregation arrangements which necessitate extra barriers, divided concourses and sealed off areas or dead ends’....FAIL

 

Get those dangerous bollards removed...FAIL

 

SYP to stop parking their vans by the bridge ...FAIL...and coaches should be moved to Catch Bar Lane to main the maximum width of road towards tram stops etc.  SYP vans can then be used to block Catch Bar Lane at either end if they need Kettling practice and also be ready for convoy to escort the coaches away from the city.

 

Communication with users of the stadium...FAIL...I am sure folk would be more understanding if they knew this was part of a limited trial process that we can all learn from.

 

In fairness to the MMU report, the calculations are consistent with Green Guide recommendations but crucially is silent on the wider aspects and alternatives...Zone X routes away from the stadium and that all non essential persons including those spoiling for a fight, filming on their phones or waiting for others delayed by poor exit strategies, must be kept moving when leaving the stadium and beyond....FAIL

 

Might work?

 

 

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If only MMU / SYP / SAG / SCC had such foresight. Mind you, it’s not like they’re being paid or owt daft like that ...

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1 hour ago, Saracen7 said:

 

Ha, joke reporting on the situation by a 'Victoria Wood', you couldn't make it up. Except she did. There was a lane on Penistone Road closed off, it wasn't 'pitch black' and when do you ever see traffic 'hurtling' along there after match days? 

 

Think you're misreading that a bit. She's saying the precautions they have put in place are more dangerous than what happened before.

I tend to agree.

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It is workable, the one issue could be the departure of the away coaches as they normally exit from Leppings Lane to Law Bros then north up the A61 to Tankersley

 

I suppose they could be parked uphill on Catchbar Lane and still go to Leppings Lane.

 

But well done Flat Owl. We can whinge about SYP / SAG or throw solutions at them. Prefer your latter approach

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32 minutes ago, Flat Owl said:

Possible option and my personal observations over 50 years of leaving the North Stand via LL whilst watching the ground progressively being netted off or closed down....

 

It is important to go back to square one here to formulate a solution that allows full stadium capacity  at 35000+ to be safely achieved, not simply add to or make up for the ‘interpretations’ demanded up to this point and also with a view to any future development of the ‘world cup’ scheme.

 

Less than 1500 away fans then original arrangements seem reasonable even according to SYPs own report.

 

The construction of a bridge needs only to occur when full away capacity is to be regularly accommodated.

If away contingents exceed 1500-2000 then holdback works in a smaller reservoir.  Without a bridge,  larger contingents of say 4500 can be accommodated by extending the holdback reservoir further back towards the end of the south stand rather than blocking say a 6.0m strip for the north stand exit.

 

Segregation distances are ridiculous and I suspect more about reducing capacity to SAGs ever onerous demands than maintaining a safe distance between fans.  The GG states that Segregation should be reasonable and proportionate.

 

GG also states that ‘Management’ should recognise that practices can have both positive and negative effects on efficiency of circulation including Segregation arrangements which necessitate extra barriers, divided concourses and sealed off areas or dead ends’....FAIL

 

Get those dangerous bollards removed...FAIL

 

SYP to stop parking their vans by the bridge ...FAIL...and coaches should be moved to Catch Bar Lane to main the maximum width of road towards tram stops etc.  SYP vans can then be used to block Catch Bar Lane at either end if they need Kettling practice and also be ready for convoy to escort the coaches away from the city.

 

Communication with users of the stadium...FAIL...I am sure folk would be more understanding if they knew this was part of a limited trial process that we can all learn from.

 

In fairness to the MMU report, the calculations are consistent with Green Guide recommendations but crucially is silent on the wider aspects and alternatives...Zone X routes away from the stadium and that all non essential persons including those spoiling for a fight, filming on their phones or waiting for others delayed by poor exit strategies, must be kept moving when leaving the stadium and beyond....FAIL

 

Might work?

 

 

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Terrific work Flatters. I do wonder why the 'experts' can't seem to come to such a solution.

It's almost as if they don't want to...

 

I definitely think your idea needs passing on.

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3 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said:

 

Terrific work Flatters. I do wonder why the 'experts' can't seem to come to such a solution.

It's almost as if they don't want to...

 

I definitely think your idea needs passing on.

 

Feel free anyone...I know there are folks on here who have the ears of people in the right places...

Its our club and I don’t like it when it is slowly being allowed to be cordoned off, netted over and shut down by persons unknown without any plausible or even half understandable reason especially under a banner of ‘protecting the public’.  

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