Lythamowl Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 On 21/08/2019 at 15:58, vulva said: The pantomime booing by the North is quite funny. They also don’t do the announcement to the rest of the ground to limit the boos. oh no its not...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 42 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: Does anyone know where this SAG has it's offices? I want to go round and superglue their fire doors shut and then dob them in to the Fire Service. Beware of Keith Lard your grace. Dog botherer & fire safety geek of the Chorley parish. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Saracen7 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 22 hours ago, RichieB said: Further action against us being threatened... https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/latest-owls-news/further-action-threat-for-sheffield-wednesday-as-fans-raise-safety-concerns-over-effects-of-prohibition-notice-restrictions-491507 Ha, joke reporting on the situation by a 'Victoria Wood', you couldn't make it up. Except she did. There was a lane on Penistone Road closed off, it wasn't 'pitch black' and when do you ever see traffic 'hurtling' along there after match days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Owl Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Possible option and my personal observations over 50 years of leaving the North Stand via LL whilst watching the ground progressively being netted off or closed down.... It is important to go back to square one here to formulate a solution that allows full stadium capacity at 35000+ to be safely achieved, not simply add to or make up for the ‘interpretations’ demanded up to this point and also with a view to any future development of the ‘world cup’ scheme. Less than 1500 away fans then original arrangements seem reasonable even according to SYPs own report. The construction of a bridge needs only to occur when full away capacity is to be regularly accommodated. If away contingents exceed 1500-2000 then holdback works in a smaller reservoir. Without a bridge, larger contingents of say 4500 can be accommodated by extending the holdback reservoir further back towards the end of the south stand rather than blocking say a 6.0m strip for the north stand exit. Segregation distances are ridiculous and I suspect more about reducing capacity to SAGs ever onerous demands than maintaining a safe distance between fans. The GG states that Segregation should be reasonable and proportionate. GG also states that ‘Management’ should recognise that practices can have both positive and negative effects on efficiency of circulation including Segregation arrangements which necessitate extra barriers, divided concourses and sealed off areas or dead ends’....FAIL Get those dangerous bollards removed...FAIL SYP to stop parking their vans by the bridge ...FAIL...and coaches should be moved to Catch Bar Lane to main the maximum width of road towards tram stops etc. SYP vans can then be used to block Catch Bar Lane at either end if they need Kettling practice and also be ready for convoy to escort the coaches away from the city. Communication with users of the stadium...FAIL...I am sure folk would be more understanding if they knew this was part of a limited trial process that we can all learn from. In fairness to the MMU report, the calculations are consistent with Green Guide recommendations but crucially is silent on the wider aspects and alternatives...Zone X routes away from the stadium and that all non essential persons including those spoiling for a fight, filming on their phones or waiting for others delayed by poor exit strategies, must be kept moving when leaving the stadium and beyond....FAIL Might work? Edited August 22, 2019 by Flat Owl 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys Salopettes Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 @Flat Owl take a bow son ... I’ve PM you too 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys Salopettes Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, Flat Owl said: Possible option and my personal observations over 50 years of leaving the North Stand via LL whilst watching the ground progressively being netted off or closed down.... It is important to go back to square one here to formulate a solution that allows full stadium capacity at 35000+ to be safely achieved, not simply add to or make up for the ‘interpretations’ demanded up to this point and also with a view to any future development of the ‘world cup’ scheme. Less than 1500 away fans then original arrangements seem reasonable even according to SYPs own report. The construction of a bridge needs only to occur when full away capacity is to be regularly accommodated. If away contingents exceed 1500-2000 then holdback works in a smaller reservoir. Without a bridge, larger contingents of say 4500 can be accommodated by extending the holdback reservoir further back towards the end of the south stand rather than blocking say a 6.0m strip for the north stand exit. Segregation distances are ridiculous and I suspect more about reducing capacity to SAGs ever onerous demands than maintaining a safe distance between fans. The GG states that Segregation should be reasonable and proportionate. GG also states that ‘Management’ should recognise that practices can have both positive and negative effects on efficiency of circulation including Segregation arrangements which necessitate extra barriers, divided concourses and sealed off areas or dead ends’....FAIL Get those dangerous bollards removed...FAIL SYP to stop parking their vans by the bridge ...FAIL...and coaches should be moved to Catch Bar Lane to main the maximum width of road towards tram stops etc. SYP vans can then be used to block Catch Bar Lane at either end if they need Kettling practice and also be ready for convoy to escort the coaches away from the city. Communication with users of the stadium...FAIL...I am sure folk would be more understanding if they knew this was part of a limited trial process that we can all learn from. In fairness to the MMU report, the calculations are consistent with Green Guide recommendations but crucially is silent on the wider aspects and alternatives...Zone X routes away from the stadium and that all non essential persons including those spoiling for a fight, filming on their phones or waiting for others delayed by poor exit strategies, must be kept moving when leaving the stadium and beyond....FAIL Might work? If only MMU / SYP / SAG / SCC had such foresight. Mind you, it’s not like they’re being paid or owt daft like that ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Such a simple solution to the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Obviously Fiat's solution can't be seen from a window in Manchester polytechnic ....... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Saracen7 said: Ha, joke reporting on the situation by a 'Victoria Wood', you couldn't make it up. Except she did. There was a lane on Penistone Road closed off, it wasn't 'pitch black' and when do you ever see traffic 'hurtling' along there after match days? Think you're misreading that a bit. She's saying the precautions they have put in place are more dangerous than what happened before. I tend to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys Salopettes Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Just now, asteener1867 said: Obviously Fiat's solution can't be seen from a window in Manchester polytechnic ....... To be fair it’s not like Ben Cowcill visited the ground (with his junior tape measure) of anything like that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 It is workable, the one issue could be the departure of the away coaches as they normally exit from Leppings Lane to Law Bros then north up the A61 to Tankersley I suppose they could be parked uphill on Catchbar Lane and still go to Leppings Lane. But well done Flat Owl. We can whinge about SYP / SAG or throw solutions at them. Prefer your latter approach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 32 minutes ago, Flat Owl said: Possible option and my personal observations over 50 years of leaving the North Stand via LL whilst watching the ground progressively being netted off or closed down.... It is important to go back to square one here to formulate a solution that allows full stadium capacity at 35000+ to be safely achieved, not simply add to or make up for the ‘interpretations’ demanded up to this point and also with a view to any future development of the ‘world cup’ scheme. Less than 1500 away fans then original arrangements seem reasonable even according to SYPs own report. The construction of a bridge needs only to occur when full away capacity is to be regularly accommodated. If away contingents exceed 1500-2000 then holdback works in a smaller reservoir. Without a bridge, larger contingents of say 4500 can be accommodated by extending the holdback reservoir further back towards the end of the south stand rather than blocking say a 6.0m strip for the north stand exit. Segregation distances are ridiculous and I suspect more about reducing capacity to SAGs ever onerous demands than maintaining a safe distance between fans. The GG states that Segregation should be reasonable and proportionate. GG also states that ‘Management’ should recognise that practices can have both positive and negative effects on efficiency of circulation including Segregation arrangements which necessitate extra barriers, divided concourses and sealed off areas or dead ends’....FAIL Get those dangerous bollards removed...FAIL SYP to stop parking their vans by the bridge ...FAIL...and coaches should be moved to Catch Bar Lane to main the maximum width of road towards tram stops etc. SYP vans can then be used to block Catch Bar Lane at either end if they need Kettling practice and also be ready for convoy to escort the coaches away from the city. Communication with users of the stadium...FAIL...I am sure folk would be more understanding if they knew this was part of a limited trial process that we can all learn from. In fairness to the MMU report, the calculations are consistent with Green Guide recommendations but crucially is silent on the wider aspects and alternatives...Zone X routes away from the stadium and that all non essential persons including those spoiling for a fight, filming on their phones or waiting for others delayed by poor exit strategies, must be kept moving when leaving the stadium and beyond....FAIL Might work? Terrific work Flatters. I do wonder why the 'experts' can't seem to come to such a solution. It's almost as if they don't want to... I definitely think your idea needs passing on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: Obviously Fiat's solution can't be seen from a window in Manchester polytechnic ....... Unless they've got a giant telesc....oh nevermind.. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys Salopettes Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I’ve spotted a flaw in your cunning plan @Flat Owl ... the 4 metre wide away fan bridge you suggest, SCC would have to refuse planning permission due to overshadowing of the grade 2 listed shopping trolley resting on the banks of the river don ... no agenda to the SCC 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Before we spend money on a bridge, let's just do exactly what the other club in the city do on match days. Same number of stewards, same number of police, same number of roads closed within the same number of square meterage outside the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcx666 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2019/august/club-statement-/ 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 minute ago, marcx666 said: https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2019/august/club-statement-/ Ooh, throwing shade as the young uns used to say. I really really hope the club are working with their lawyers on this. When they were trying to sue posters on here the lawyers did plenty, hopefully they work as hard this time round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 @marcx666 Pleased the club are sticking up themselves on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcx666 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: @marcx666 Pleased the club are sticking up themselves on this one. Moral is "Don't f*ck with DC" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Owl Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: Terrific work Flatters. I do wonder why the 'experts' can't seem to come to such a solution. It's almost as if they don't want to... I definitely think your idea needs passing on. Feel free anyone...I know there are folks on here who have the ears of people in the right places... Its our club and I don’t like it when it is slowly being allowed to be cordoned off, netted over and shut down by persons unknown without any plausible or even half understandable reason especially under a banner of ‘protecting the public’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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