McRightSide Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) The rise of Pep in English football and the new goalkick law have only further increased the % of teams that are following a fashion of playing football from the back without necessarily having the capability and discipline to do it. Equally, they seem bereft of ideas on how to play a longer game Already we’ve seen Luton and Reading gift us goals due to this and I’m sure that we can all painfully remember how many points it cost under Jos. I’m very happy to see us strike a nice balance of football - long when necessary and short when possible - without taking unnecessary risks due to pre-determined tactical policy. In this league, high percentage football at the back and smart, targeted pressing work is a good recipe for success. The second half yesterday was a perfect showcase of that. Please Bullen - or whoever ends up in charge - do not get sucked into fashionable football without capability. Edited August 21, 2019 by McRightSide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Noticed Barnsley conceeded again last night by fannying around at the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelcityowlsfan Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 You need to buy players that can play that system not try and make existing ones play it. Round holes and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Every team I've seen at this level who try to play out like that just put pressure on themselves and end up either giving away possession or hoofing it in panic anyway. In our games alone, this season Reading, Barnsley and Luton. Last season Brentford, Swansea - and us! Really don't know why teams persist with it when it's clearly not something they're comfortable with. Just the latest footballing fashion I suppose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 4 hours ago, McRightSide said: The rise of Pep in English football and the new goalkick law have only further increased the % of teams that are following a fashion of playing football from the back without necessarily having the capability and discipline to do it. Equally, they seem bereft of ideas on how to play a longer game Already we’ve seen Luton and Reading gift us goals due to this and I’m sure that we can all painfully remember how many points it cost under Jos. I’m very happy to see us strike a nice balance of football - long when necessary and short when possible - without taking unnecessary risks due to pre-determined tactical policy. In this league, high percentage football at the back and smart, targeted pressing work is a good recipe for success. The second half yesterday was a perfect showcase of that. Please Bullen - or whoever ends up in charge - do not get sucked into fashionable football without capability. I understand what you are saying but I think the issue is not about the play from the back football, it is how you mix up your overall play. Too often last night we became very predicable, we played it around the back 4 then gave it to Bannan who tried the long ball which he got right maybe 2 out of 10. When we got the ball down to the wings to run at the defence and had the full back over lapping we looked so much more dangerous, had we had a few more targets in the box than just Fletcher we could be scoring a lot more goals. We need to be playing two strikers if we are playing two wingers not many teams have an Aguero or Firmino flanked by world class wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I love it. Can't wait until teams do it with Fessi on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest domSWFC Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said: I love it. Can't wait until teams do it with Fessi on the pitch. Keeper plays it short to his right back. Harris is on him in a flash, nicks it and plays it to Forestieri who slots it home neatly. The Ref runs over, sends him off and he's subsequently arrested and sent down for 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaping Lannys Perm Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Think Westwood's 'clearance' last night sums this issue up. Under massive pressure and dribbling near the corner of the area. Anyone in their right mind would hoof it into row z of the South. But even then there was the instinct to try and keep the ball in play. So nearly cost us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camffiti Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I remember watching a Frank Lampard's Derby game last season and saying ... This team stinks of philosophy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) Technical ability for players at clubs like Luton and Barnsley is miles better than it was 25 years ago. But still think it suicidal playing it out of the back from inside your own area. Paul Sturrock would have called it tippy tappy football and fannying about with it. Edited August 21, 2019 by matthefish2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Clubs are often asking goalkeepers now to play the ball. They're likely in net because they weren't actually that good at football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 100% agree with the OP. Let other teams try to be Man City....and fail. Let's keep our play varied and unpredictable. Luckily we have Fletcher who is ideal as a target man. Not many clubs go for a big man up top anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 5 hours ago, modboy said: Noticed Barnsley conceeded again last night by fannying around at the back sides will soon catch on, can't keep crashing the car every week, but there's one or two coco pups no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, camffiti said: I remember watching a Frank Lampard's Derby game last season and saying ... This team stinks of philosophy Stinking their way to the play-off final; not a bad way to stink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, alanharper said: Every team I've seen at this level who try to play out like that just put pressure on themselves and end up either giving away possession or hoofing it in panic anyway. In our games alone, this season Reading, Barnsley and Luton. Last season Brentford, Swansea - and us! Really don't know why teams persist with it when it's clearly not something they're comfortable with. Just the latest footballing fashion I suppose. 'emperor's new clothes' you're either 'in, or out of fashion'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, room0035 said: I understand what you are saying but I think the issue is not about the play from the back football, it is how you mix up your overall play. Too often last night we became very predicable, we played it around the back 4 then gave it to Bannan who tried the long ball which he got right maybe 2 out of 10. When we got the ball down to the wings to run at the defence and had the full back over lapping we looked so much more dangerous, had we had a few more targets in the box than just Fletcher we could be scoring a lot more goals. We need to be playing two strikers if we are playing two wingers not many teams have an Aguero or Firmino flanked by world class wingers. Given your reply is about something different, I'm not sure you do know what I'm saying. I'm merely commenting on the fixation with passing around the backline in dangerous situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 39 minutes ago, Leaping Lannys Perm said: Think Westwood's 'clearance' last night sums this issue up. Under massive pressure and dribbling near the corner of the area. Anyone in their right mind would hoof it into row z of the South. But even then there was the instinct to try and keep the ball in play. So nearly cost us. Nothing to do with playing out though, just a P Poor first touch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, cowl said: Stinking their way to the play-off final; not a bad way to stink. did they win what we won under coco? some people's understanding of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 41 minutes ago, Leaping Lannys Perm said: Think Westwood's 'clearance' last night sums this issue up. Under massive pressure and dribbling near the corner of the area. Anyone in their right mind would hoof it into row z of the South. But even then there was the instinct to try and keep the ball in play. So nearly cost us. That was nothing to do with playing football at the back. It was an average back pass, a lousy first touch and then desperately trying to boot the ball as far up the pitch as possible without the right body shape and balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cognacbarnowl Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, McRightSide said: That was nothing to do with playing football at the back. It was an average back pass, a lousy first touch and then desperately trying to boot the ball as far up the pitch as possible without the right body shape and balance. So what's this new "goal kick" rule McRS, ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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