Birley Owl 1867 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, 1993swfc said: Carlos spoke to Swansea while in the Wednesday job. https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/carlos-carvalhal-reveals-he-held-talks-with-swansea-chairman-during-sheffield-wednesday-stint-437235?amp facts. So Carlos did speak to Swansea. Asked to leave when fans start to turn. Carlos jumped when it got tough. Both him and Chansiri agreed that it was best he left. After that, he was free to go where he liked. Bruce left us when we told him he can't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookieisdown Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 On blaming Carvalhal, there is something of a Morton's fork argument. If he was responsible for recruitment, then he shouldn't have been; and the blame for poor recruitment choices doesn't rest with him but withe the wider sset up. And if he wasn't responsible, then he wasn't responsible. There was some good and bad recruitment. Reach and Fletcher would count as good acquisitions. So too Bannan and Forestieri. Examples of less succcessful recruitments are also obvious. It seems pretty strange to me to credit or blame the then first team coach for any of it. The issues were rather deeper. This is all to be honest pretty obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonLeon Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Both him and Chansiri agreed that it was best he left. After that, he was free to go where he liked. Bruce left us when we told him he can't. Nobody knows for sure Bruce was told he couldn’t leave. Bruce himself claims he went with DC’s consent. Our statement clearly states our issue is with Newcastle employing them, and acknowledges the fact they’d resigned. So they’re must’ve been some form of consent on our part for the resignations to be acknowledged days later. The fact is both Bruce and Carlos did us over, but in different ways. Fair enough Carlos will be given more slack because he achieved far more than Bruce, and rightly so. But he was definitely not the saint he’s been held up as since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Both him and Chansiri agreed that it was best he left. After that, he was free to go where he liked. Bruce left us when we told him he can't. Both left for Prem jobs. Chansiri wasn’t happy he put out a statement fuming about Carlos. Edited August 14, 2019 by 1993swfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s6 owl Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 What was Carlos' excuse for not giving Venancio and Thorniley a chance? It doesn't matter if he really wanted JVA or not he still had 2 better central defenders than him at the club who he wouldn't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, 1993swfc said: Both left for Prem jobs. Chansiri wasn’t happy he put out a statement fuming about Carlos. If he wasn't happy, why did he accept his resignation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Theboylangers Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Ash76 said: Doesn’t matter whether people think he’s poor or what they think of our recruitment at the time. Its the here and now what’s important and this departure means s very good window just got that little bit better Correct. We are always on about getting 'dead wood' out of the club. We've done this, credit to all concerned. For what it's worth, I don't think he would have made it at this level, too many flaws in his game for the pace of this league. I wish him well but cannot see him ever playing for us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDO Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I wish the lad well but I don't want him to return to us. Another very poor, wasteful signing. We could and should have signed Venancio on a permanent deal rather than JVA. He was excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 7 hours ago, thewookieisdown said: On blaming Carvalhal, there is something of a Morton's fork argument. If he was responsible for recruitment, then he shouldn't have been; and the blame for poor recruitment choices doesn't rest with him but withe the wider sset up. And if he wasn't responsible, then he wasn't responsible. There was some good and bad recruitment. Reach and Fletcher would count as good acquisitions. So too Bannan and Forestieri. Examples of less succcessful recruitments are also obvious. It seems pretty strange to me to credit or blame the then first team coach for any of it. The issues were rather deeper. This is all to be honest pretty obvious. Not sure about that. Any recruitment needs to fit a managers philosophy and he said a fair few times he didn’t want to sign “bouncers”, nor did he really want to play with wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Duran Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 When I saw him at Cardiff I really thought we had signed a top player here. Looked brilliant that game and we had got a bargin. Can't image we paid 4m up front, again must have been performance based / promotion based deal. Unfortunately it wasn't to be and another player that we had high hopes for goes into the same bin as Abdi & Co. Now we seem to have a proper recruitment team setup which has been evident from our business so far and we won't be making these type of mistakes again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doctor Duran said: When I saw him at Cardiff I really thought we had signed a top player here. Looked brilliant that game and we had got a bargin. Can't image we paid 4m up front, again must have been performance based / promotion based deal. Unfortunately it wasn't to be and another player that we had high hopes for goes into the same bin as Abdi & Co. Now we seem to have a proper recruitment team setup which has been evident from our business so far and we won't be making these type of mistakes again. I think Luongo is a prime example of the approach we are taking as he was completely under the radar and almost a bit of a forgotten player in this league. But when you look at the various stats for his performances, coupled with age and his contract running down it looks like it was some good research. However the recruitment team and manager have to be in sync and it’s a shift in ideology on how we play which has allowed us to begin targeting players who can carry the ball and not rely on possession and technique alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Doctor Duran said: When I saw him at Cardiff I really thought we had signed a top player here. Looked brilliant that game and we had got a bargin. Can't image we paid 4m up front, again must have been performance based / promotion based deal. Unfortunately it wasn't to be and another player that we had high hopes for goes into the same bin as Abdi & Co. Now we seem to have a proper recruitment team setup which has been evident from our business so far and we won't be making these type of mistakes again. It almost feels like wasted breath, but for the gajillionth time, it wasn't £4m. It was, at the time, reported to be €4m which included add ons including a promotion fee and appearance bonuses. That equates to about £2.7m. As we haven't been promoted and he's barely played, it's probably much closer to a £2m fee. The £4m was a myth created by Owlstalk because apparently the Euro and Pound are the same and installments don't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydubz Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Please dont come back Joost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 English Championship football was simply too higher standard for him. I expect he will be on far too much money for his loan club to pick up all the tab but done well to get him out the door and recoup some money back. Think the 2 embargo have sharpened minds that the way we conducted transfer business before with no out goings was not the way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: If he wasn't happy, why did he accept his resignation? https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/sheffield-wednesday-dejphon-chansiri-leaps-to-the-defence-of-under-fire-owls-boss-carlos-carvalhal-440557 Funnily enough you first piped up saying he was sacked. That changed Read the statementsfrom less than 12 hours before he left. That’s not someone happy Carlos wanted to leave! But I’ve kinda work out you don’t deal in facts, just waffle on about nothing instead I doubt you’ve read any link I’ve generously posted for you! The whole reason you’ve piped up is because I said something about Steve Bruce off the pitch and you wrote a whole paragraph about what happens on the pitch! Edited August 15, 2019 by 1993swfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batemoor owls Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 12 hours ago, westy365owl said: My German isn't the best but I don't think the report blames him According to the report he had a good game, there coach was happy with his performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepitsteel89 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Our recruitment team.. " We're interested in JVA, how much do you want for him?" Them "Erm" Us "2 million?" "Wow" "Ok ok 3 million and not a penny more" "Wow ok" "Dam your hard bargaining sir, 4 million! How's dose that sound" "Erm..yes..yes that sounds erm..reasonable, do you want a bag with that?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEdwards Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 FYI Bundesliga 2 is the second tier for all those saying 3rd tier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 13 hours ago, thewookieisdown said: On blaming Carvalhal, there is something of a Morton's fork argument. If he was responsible for recruitment, then he shouldn't have been; and the blame for poor recruitment choices doesn't rest with him but withe the wider sset up. And if he wasn't responsible, then he wasn't responsible. There was some good and bad recruitment. Reach and Fletcher would count as good acquisitions. So too Bannan and Forestieri. Examples of less succcessful recruitments are also obvious. It seems pretty strange to me to credit or blame the then first team coach for any of it. The issues were rather deeper. This is all to be honest pretty obvious. Why didn't he insist like Bruce did and bring two recruitment people in who actually knew something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Nice to see the ‘good on the ball’ myth is still going though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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