akbuk Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, paulrs said: Irwin Mitchell have probably the best public law team in the country. Challenging decisions made by government departments, the police, councils and other public bodies is their bread and butter. The club could do worse than engage with them to assess if all this has been done fairly. On in the face of it, imposing such major restrictions when most other grounds in the country have fans separated by a gangway and a few stewards is overkill in the extreme. I always think it’s almost like the 90s were forgotten in the sense that after the disaster we were in the top division for 11 years regularly getting crowds of 35-40000 with the away end sold out and yet incidents of trouble were minimal and nobody’s safety was compromised... how on earth did we all survive that decade without SAG taking such close interest in our well being??? It’s a wonder anyone who went in the north or west stands came out intact! Or the club could just get on and make some remedial works, we've wasted 30 years time to get on with it.. Increasing the capacity by spending on a solution is effectively self financing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, akbuk said: Or the club could just get on and make some remedial works, we've wasted 30 years time to get on with it.. Increasing the capacity by spending on a solution is effectively self financing How does redeveloping the West Stand assist with this issue though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob1601 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Don’t forget SYP insisted on the derby match being moved to a Monday night. They also made all the arrangements on surrounding roads, coach parks etc. Nothing went wrong in the ground. All on them. The report isn’t the be all and end all. You can go to most Universities, pay money for a report or research to aid your argument. It’s a vendor lead paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 51 minutes ago, RichieB said: Enough is enough. Time to take legal action against the SAG/SYP No its time to improve the situation on the ground and stop the silly pointing of fingers the blame game will get us nowhere barring diverting attention away from the need to modernise the stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Uncle Mort AMB said: Since 1989 the H&SE have never said the Lep it self was a H&S issue , until the SYP came in for some flak over the policing of the derby, The main concerns in 1989 was forcing supporters to use less turnstiles than that end of the ground could handle, and the numbers that each pen was allocated. So after 30 years , two inquest , someone has found a problem with that end of the ground being used for league games, to me it's not a H&S issue but a public order matter and how it's policed. Whats the old saying " never contradict a policeman or you'll end up falling down the cell steps" well the club have been pushed down them steps. You're absolutely spot on there. SYP fail to do their role/job and say to SAG - 'you'd be better just to close off areas in and around the ground even though it's never been a problem, until we made it one last February.' It's quite astonishing really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, mkowl said: How does redeveloping the West Stand assist with this issue though. Provide an engineering solution to the exit and egres increasing the potential bums on seats at the Leppings Lane thus increasing revenue to the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, akbuk said: No its time to improve the situation on the ground and stop the silly pointing of fingers the blame game will get us nowhere barring diverting attention away from the need to modernise the stadium When you 'modernise' do you mean to comply with statutory laws, or to improve the customer experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy bunny Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, akbuk said: Provide an engineering solution to the exit and egres increasing the potential bums on seats at the Leppings Lane thus increasing revenue to the club What do you suggest as a solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, akbuk said: Provide an engineering solution to the exit and egres increasing the potential bums on seats at the Leppings Lane thus increasing revenue to the club I just think if the issue is two sets of fans in close proximity on exit and not being keen on holding back fans then no engineering solution will be adequate for SAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, Animis said: When you 'modernise' do you mean to comply with statutory laws, or to improve the customer experience? I mean the club kmow the issues and should get it sorted asap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, mkowl said: I just think if the issue is two sets of fans in close proximity on exit and not being keen on holding back fans then no engineering solution will be adequate for SAG Build bridges across the river for away fans simple or just commission a good firm of architects they'll provide a solution. The blame game gets us nowhere Edited August 12, 2019 by akbuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, akbuk said: I mean the club kmow the issues and should get it sorted asap It's never been an issue until now - the point of the discussion is to assess whether there are any issues at all - in a legal sense. Businesses simply can't go around spending money on capital investment unless there is a very specific and real need for it - in this case, it seems very dubious to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, happy bunny said: What do you suggest as a solution? I suggest Chansiri employs a good firm of architects they will design a solution. Maybe be a couple if bridges across the river for away fans Edited August 12, 2019 by akbuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieB Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, akbuk said: No its time to improve the situation on the ground and stop the silly pointing of fingers the blame game will get us nowhere barring diverting attention away from the need to modernise the stadium So you honestly think we're being treated fairly? You think there aren't many examples of home and away fans being separated by a line of stewards, yet ours have to be a whole stand apart. You think there aren't many examples of home and away fans exiting the ground together in the same direction? Yet it's a massive problem for us? Yeah sorry what was I thinking, SYP are totally right and we need to get our shiit together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieB Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Animis said: It's never been an issue until now - the point of the discussion is to assess whether there are any issues at all - in a legal sense. Businesses simply can't go around spending money on capital investment unless there is a very specific and real need for it - in this case, it seems very dubious to say the least. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, RichieB said: So you honestly think we're being treated fairly? You think there aren't many examples of home and away fans being separated by a line of stewards, yet ours have to be a whole stand apart. You think there aren't many examples of home and away fans exiting the ground together in the same direction? Yet it's a massive problem for us? Yeah sorry what was I thinking, SYP are totally right and we need to get our shiit together We are being tre fairly and have been for 30 years time to get it sorted Edited August 12, 2019 by akbuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieB Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, akbuk said: We ard being trat fairly and have been for 30 years time to get it sorted Didn't understand any of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, RichieB said: Didn't understand any of that. Why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieB Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, akbuk said: Why Think you need to edit one more time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mort AMB Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, Animis said: You're absolutely spot on there. SYP fail to do their role/job and say to SAG - 'you'd be better just to close off areas in and around the ground even though it's never been a problem, until we made it one last February.' It's quite astonishing really. The H&SE never closed that end of the ground over safety issues, only the terracing stayed closed. What gets me is the derby game at the lane had the same issues, yet no report was commissioned over fans mixing at that end of the ground. Didn't SYP release a statement saying they were commissioning a report on how to police all South Yorkshire grounds in the future. So whats happened to the other reports at other clubs in this area.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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