York_Owl Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Could their response to a bit of criticism be any more childish? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Here is where a half decent newspaper would investigate/ ask questions and get to the bottom of the situation. Unfortately journalism now merely consists of publishing press releases and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Ordering so many prople to exit the ground onto a live duel carriageway is beyond stupidity , its downright dangerous and negligent . I’m guessing by only having season ticket holders on the North, they will in some way be saying that ‘at least that’s a reduction in people’ - with no POTD customers. (Not defending them at all - just guessing their silly excuse). Edited August 12, 2019 by Kopparberg Although, saying that, if all those POTD North stand folk move onto the Kop, it’ll be the same amount of people leaving via Penistone Rd anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Not needed. Simply use the figures in the flawed report upon which they are basing these decisions. Recalculate for the numbers exiting the north and south stands and it will prove its complete nonsense. Also use the same figures for the number of Luton fans attending and surprise surprise it would be safe to hold them back. Even though it is completely unnecessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) Sad state of affairs. Edited August 12, 2019 by Kopparberg DC seems the type to not lay down and take it though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrs Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Irwin Mitchell have probably the best public law team in the country. Challenging decisions made by government departments, the police, councils and other public bodies is their bread and butter. The club could do worse than engage with them to assess if all this has been done fairly. On in the face of it, imposing such major restrictions when most other grounds in the country have fans separated by a gangway and a few stewards is overkill in the extreme. I always think it’s almost like the 90s were forgotten in the sense that after the disaster we were in the top division for 11 years regularly getting crowds of 35-40000 with the away end sold out and yet incidents of trouble were minimal and nobody’s safety was compromised... how on earth did we all survive that decade without SAG taking such close interest in our well being??? It’s a wonder anyone who went in the north or west stands came out intact! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Are we really discussing holding Luton fans back for safety reasons?! The paper shuffling bell ends get worse. I can just imagine the minutes of their meeting; Newly promoted club so unknown quantity. Need to be robust & vigilant with our strategy going forward. Another digestive Tarquin? Ooh, yes please. Where is Luton anyway? Setofcunts the lot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upperwinngardensowl Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Here’s my futile attempt to get a response from the SYP police commissioner Dear Mr Billings Are you aware of the ridicule and vitriol that is being aimed at SYP as a result of the draconian and senseless actions taken in relation to the free movement of people around the Hillsborough stadium and the banning of the sale of tickets for the North stand? This is not to mention the ridiculous decision to funnel thousands of fans in one direction onto an open main artery dual carriageway? God knows what will happen at night games on Penistone Road and these actions have CREATED a public safety issue. As commissioner this is done in your name and you will be one of those held responsible when the inevitable happens. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsheri Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 What would we need to do to get the notice removed? Structurally i mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Need to start getting our voices heard here against SYPD and SAG, that prohibition notice is nothing short of an absolute disgrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw pete Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 34 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: This is only happening because South Yorkshire police couldn't get a grip of ONE game back in February against the Pigs. Not forgetting that complaints on the night were directed at the police for their inability to respond or have a flipping clue what to do. Absolute incompetency. They were just as bad at the Lane totally out of control would only allow us to use two turnstiles to enter the ground.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, sweetsheri said: What would we need to do to get the notice removed? Structurally i mean Carpet bomb SYPD HQ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdan2003 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I know the report is based on worst case planning, which i get from risk management point of view. But at the same time probability should be taken into account - the team that's visiting, how many will they bring (or how many tickets will we sell them) and whether or not it's a team that's historically had crowd trouble. They've used data collected from the united game as the analysis on a lot of this, and based on that information the probability of someone getting injured was increase through the SYP tactics on that night; e.g the coaches double stacked thereby restricting crowd flow So given that Luton won't bring that many, and the likelihood of trouble is low....what's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I have e-mailed the SAG with 4 questions ( in short, is action based on a report following one high profile game not flawed due to unrepresentative sample; is the implication that Hillsborough is the only ground in South Yorkshire with such access / egress problems; is the solution not merely going to cause problems on penistone road and do SAG members have to declare interests in local football teams to eradicate potential bias). Don’t expect a response other than directing me to their statement but feel better for asking. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, upperwinngardensowl said: Here’s my futile attempt to get a response from the SYP police commissioner Dear Mr Billings Are you aware of the ridicule and vitriol that is being aimed at SYP as a result of the draconian and senseless actions taken in relation to the free movement of people around the Hillsborough stadium and the banning of the sale of tickets for the North stand? This is not to mention the ridiculous decision to funnel thousands of fans in one direction onto an open main artery dual carriageway? God knows what will happen at night games on Penistone Road and these actions have CREATED a public safety issue. As commissioner this is done in your name and you will be one of those held responsible when the inevitable happens. I might get onto him too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 As already been said by many others, it's the fact they are only considering one aspect of overall ground safety Though cynical me believes they will be making the case for unsafe knock on consequences to Penistone Road to justify further action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 29 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: How do you go about it though...Its tricky when its "Health and safety"....If I suppose you could somehow show the problems at other South Yorkshire grounds are the same, but the clubs are treated differently.... It's only H&S when there's a specific act or code of practice to comply with. It seems to me this is being based on an 'independent' crowd safety 'expert' who was commissioned by SYP/SAG. It all seem very subjective and must be open to challenge by a further independent expert at least. I do hope SWFC are working on this behind the scenes. Can you imagine a PL club tolerating this nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, mkowl said: As already been said by many others, it's the fact they are only considering one aspect of overall ground safety Though cynical me believes they will be making the case for unsafe knock on consequences to Penistone Road to justify further action Absolutely this. I'm fully expecting either the North or Kop to be closed before too long. SYP have been challenged and this is their vindictive response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Luton and QPR will both struggle to shift 1,000 tickets each, denying entrance and exit via West end of the North stand is ridiculous. These people making these decisions will get very well paid, a 5 year old could come up with better ideas. Nincompoops the lot of em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mort AMB Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 23 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: How do you go about it though...Its tricky when its "Health and safety"....If I suppose you could somehow show the problems at other South Yorkshire grounds are the same, but the clubs are treated differently.... Since 1989 the H&SE have never said the Lep it self was a H&S issue , until the SYP came in for some flak over the policing of the derby, The main concerns in 1989 was forcing supporters to use less turnstiles than that end of the ground could handle, and the numbers that each pen was allocated. So after 30 years , two inquest , someone has found a problem with that end of the ground being used for league games, to me it's not a H&S issue but a public order matter and how it's policed. Whats the old saying " never contradict a policeman or you'll end up falling down the cell steps" well the club have been pushed down them steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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