Ever the pessimist Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Owls2k said: The police's decision to pen the United fans in outside Leppings Lane after the match was borderline demented, and now they're using that to beat the club with. It's the equivalent of shutting the M1 because some no sense of direction went the wrong way on a slip road. Don't get me started on the game at Brammall Lane, that situation near the petrol station gets worse every time, the police are absolutely dense. They held them in the ‘forecourt’ then decided to stand aside when 1000s of Wednesday fans were still on leppings Lane. I am not one for conspiracy theories but have thought for a long time SYP are more than happy to give fans enough rope to hang themselves with, and in doing so justify their own actions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendaryswan Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Ive gone to Hillsboro for donkeys years & mixed with visiting fans with very few problems,hard banter of course,but nothing approaching the late 60s or 70s era,more especially the last 20 years,only time theres a problem is when the srubbers or leeds come here,someones making a mountain outa very little. A solution could be to get all visiting fans in the ground prior to 2pm then shut admission to that end.and allow home fans only to enter via leppings lane after 2pm,harsh but having ALL home fans enter via penistone rd only is surely a H&S issue for big weekend games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Know there are ongoing issues but wish the club would be a bit more forthcoming with what the fizz is going on. Seems we are constantly reactive when it comes to keeping supporters in the loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howards back Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Limit away fans to 1000 keep them in their seats for 10 minutes after game. That should suit SAG unless the have a hidden agenda. When clubs complain about lack of tickets give them SAG address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Horse Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Wouldn't surprise me if Chansiri kicks the papers off his desk and says 'f this. I've tried. But no more. I'm off back home'. Thing is, if he goes - there's a good chance the club won't last long after. Ohhhhh, now who would be happy about that, hmmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls2k Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 42 minutes ago, Ever the pessimist said: They held them in the ‘forecourt’ then decided to stand aside when 1000s of Wednesday fans were still on leppings Lane. I am not one for conspiracy theories but have thought for a long time SYP are more than happy to give fans enough rope to hang themselves with, and in doing so justify their own actions. They were also planning to ask the United fans to stay in their seats, which would have made far more sense. They changed that plan to the detriment of the entire situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, legendaryswan said: Ive gone to Hillsboro for donkeys years & mixed with visiting fans with very few problems,hard banter of course,but nothing approaching the late 60s or 70s era,more especially the last 20 years,only time theres a problem is when the srubbers or leeds come here,someones making a mountain outa very little. A solution could be to get all visiting fans in the ground prior to 2pm then shut admission to that end.and allow home fans only to enter via leppings lane after 2pm,harsh but having ALL home fans enter via penistone rd only is surely a H&S issue for big weekend games As I said in my earlier post, it was a H&S issue on Sarurday when leaving the stadium as the whole of the stand has to leave through the same exit. It's more dangerous than rival fans mixing on leppings lane. Forcing us to do this has actually made it more dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando_Trustful Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I am trying to think of how many away grounds I have exited that run either alongside / very close to where the home fans exit too. Very quickly off the top of my head - Blades, Southampton, Burnley, Charlton, QPR, Aton Villa, Newcastle, Birmingham, Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binky Griptite Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 If you allow people to go about their business people will typically go about their business. How many 'shirts' get jumped on on the high street on a Saturday evening / Sunday? Very few. I imagine give that same shirt a police escort down Fargate and you'll get some idiots heckling and giving it the big one because a situation has been created. The thing is all SYP do with their tactics is put a target on themselves and on the fans they're segregating. Allow the free flow of people, the 99.5% who are peaceable will go home, or wherever they're going with no issue, they'll walk side by side with fans of the opposite colours, either knowingly or unknowingly... they'll treat each other with respect, as neighbours or fellow villagers. The 99.5% won't give you any trouble whatsoever, unless you create a sense of injustice, making them go in the opposite direction to where they need to be for no other reason than because you're treating them like criminals. They'll only get wound up if you cause their young kid to cry because they're feeling intimidated or just confused at whats going on, or you're causing their elderly relative to walk an extra km on unsteady legs. People around these people will then join in with the protestations or general voicing of anger and bitterness at whats going on. You then reduce the 99.5% peaceful fans to 95% and you've got another 1,000 people to keep an eye on. The other 0.5%, police more carefully - with caution - but police them as people, only when they've done something criminal should they be treated like criminals. The report mentions people loitering... you can (in my uninformed opinion) differentiate the people loitering to meet friends from the people loitering to cause aggro, so keep an eye on them and if they do wrong tackle them the same as you would the same incident on Fargate on a Thursday dinnertime. You're then minimising the number of people you need to police, no more talk of high intensity policing of crowds of 25,000... all of a sudden your issue is 100 people who are loitering with intent. In no other walk of life are people treated the way they are exiting a football ground. Imagine if Police held white people in a bay so a bunch of BAME people could leave Primark untroubled, all of a sudden tensions are up, people are aware of a potential incident where no incident previously existed. Why do we do that to football fans? Because the police treat every single football fan as if they're criminal and left to their own devices will get up to mischief. Is that too obvious? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrig Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I was there for the Villa game at the end of last season when they brought several thousand with them. Correct me if I'm wrong but there was little or no trouble that day. Derby days are a different kettle of fish to a normal league match, therefore requiring a different approach not this over zealous reaction to all matches. If this continues it will cost the club millions in lost revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helmut_rooster Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 8 hours ago, The Horse said: Wouldn't surprise me if Chansiri kicks the papers off his desk and says 'f this. I've tried. But no more. I'm off back home'. Thing is, if he goes - there's a good chance the club won't last long after. Ohhhhh, now who would be happy about that, hmmm? Shurrup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsheri Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 6 hours ago, Orlando_Trustful said: I am trying to think of how many away grounds I have exited that run either alongside / very close to where the home fans exit too. Very quickly off the top of my head - Blades, Southampton, Burnley, Charlton, QPR, Aton Villa, Newcastle, Birmingham, Derby. Preston, Wigan, Bolton. Only away games i went to last year. Same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Binky Griptite said: If you allow people to go about their business people will typically go about their business. How many 'shirts' get jumped on on the high street on a Saturday evening / Sunday? Very few. I imagine give that same shirt a police escort down Fargate and you'll get some idiots heckling and giving it the big one because a situation has been created. The thing is all SYP do with their tactics is put a target on themselves and on the fans they're segregating. Allow the free flow of people, the 99.5% who are peaceable will go home, or wherever they're going with no issue, they'll walk side by side with fans of the opposite colours, either knowingly or unknowingly... they'll treat each other with respect, as neighbours or fellow villagers. The 99.5% won't give you any trouble whatsoever, unless you create a sense of injustice, making them go in the opposite direction to where they need to be for no other reason than because you're treating them like criminals. They'll only get wound up if you cause their young kid to cry because they're feeling intimidated or just confused at whats going on, or you're causing their elderly relative to walk an extra km on unsteady legs. People around these people will then join in with the protestations or general voicing of anger and bitterness at whats going on. You then reduce the 99.5% peaceful fans to 95% and you've got another 1,000 people to keep an eye on. The other 0.5%, police more carefully - with caution - but police them as people, only when they've done something criminal should they be treated like criminals. The report mentions people loitering... you can (in my uninformed opinion) differentiate the people loitering to meet friends from the people loitering to cause aggro, so keep an eye on them and if they do wrong tackle them the same as you would the same incident on Fargate on a Thursday dinnertime. You're then minimising the number of people you need to police, no more talk of high intensity policing of crowds of 25,000... all of a sudden your issue is 100 people who are loitering with intent. In no other walk of life are people treated the way they are exiting a football ground. Imagine if Police held white people in a bay so a bunch of BAME people could leave Primark untroubled, all of a sudden tensions are up, people are aware of a potential incident where no incident previously existed. Why do we do that to football fans? Because the police treat every single football fan as if they're criminal and left to their own devices will get up to mischief. Is that too obvious? That's the way I see it There was a programme on not long back featuring Birmingham v Villa They had a line of Van's separating fans on the way to the game Fans were trying to get to each other knowing full well they wouldn't meet ,and a copper said exactly the same as you are saying ie take the Van's away and the fans in the main would just walk together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 This really isn’t rocket science is it. How can you treat wednesday v Luton the same as a Sheffield derby( that SYP insisted had to be played in the evening. genius!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 41 minutes ago, andytrig said: I was there for the Villa game at the end of last season when they brought several thousand with them. Correct me if I'm wrong but there was little or no trouble that day. Derby days are a different kettle of fish to a normal league match, therefore requiring a different approach not this over zealous reaction to all matches. If this continues it will cost the club millions in lost revenue. Yep I park up Claywheels Lane and walked back amongst a few Villa fans I had a major flashpoint with one of them - as we calmly spoke about the game, he agreed they got out of jail, I said it was the best we had played in ages. And then we wished each other well for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 13 hours ago, Sham67 said: You seem clued up about all this. Do you mind if i ask what you do? Cheers. Retired but worked in Health and Safety and Emergency Planning (for a short time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, akbuk said: Retired but worked in Health and Safety and Emergency Planning (for a short time) Sounds like you got out quickly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 50,000 Wednesday fans in the Sheffield City Council boundary at a rough guess? All withhold their Council Tax, SCC & SYP might come from underneath their little rocks then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: 50,000 Wednesday fans in the Sheffield City Council boundary at a rough guess? All withhold their Council Tax, SCC & SYP might come from underneath their little rocks then... Are you seriously suggesting only 9% of Shefielders support Wednesday? Risible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardo Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sham67 said: Are you seriously suggesting only 9% of Shefielders support Wednesday? Risible... A lot don't actually live in Sheffield anymore. I moved away 15 years ago but still have a ST..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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