paulrs Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 I think that’s harsh on Palmer. I think he’s very sound at this level especially when he gets a consistent run in the side. I also don’t think Fox is as bad as some make out. My only worry is that we seem happy with the fact we have a number of reasonable options (Palmer, Fox, Penney, Odubajo, Thorniley) but not one specialist / first choice. Hopefully one will quickly emerge from that group and make the position their own. in the meantime I’m comfortable with Palmer there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_vinyl_frontier Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 To be fair, Palmer is decent, even out of position, and Fox played well more often than not last season. Maybe try and get behind the lads ey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 this does not show evidence that Palmer is urgently needing to be replaced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, Sultan_Pepper said: So players that can play left back or left wing back depending on the situation. Palmer who was our best player after Hector whilst playing at left back Fox - Who is better than the owlstalk mob believe Penney who could really shine given game time Thorniley who has done well there before Reach who we signed as a left back Borner who used to play there earlier in his career Odubajo who we need to see more of Iorfa could be switched as well as Palmer Out of that lot...Penney is the one I feel could really shine. He needs to be eased back in again but he showed some real quality last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) Michael Caine in “The Left Back Conundrum” Sounds like an early 70s thriller Edited August 7, 2019 by Rogers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: this does not show evidence that Palmer is urgently needing to be replaced It also shows, in the first few seconds, that Fletcher and Bannan's hair transplant clinic is complete and utter b*llox! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurai Blue Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 We've had this title before. So I'm digging this out again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrowbyOwl Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rogers said: Michael Caine in “The Left Back Conundrum” Sounds like an early 70s thriller Morgan Fox is a footballer - not a lot of people know that 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamAP22D Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 46 minutes ago, George Whitebread said: How can we still be waiting for what should've been priority #1 to be solved? Liam Palmer obviously isn't good enough at right-back, let alone on the wrong side, trying to use his standing foot! But even playing out of position he's better than Fox. Thorniley offers cover off the bench if there's an injury and we need to see a game out. But he's not mobile enough to be a starting LB and his crossing is only just better than Fox/Palmer's. When is Penney back? He's probably too light-weight defensively, really. But he showed signs of being able to cross a ball. So, could he do a job there against weaker opposition? (I see him more as back up for Harris if we revert to a 4-4-2 though really) Is Odubajo going to make the switch once Iorfa's back? He's better than Palmer, but can another right-back really be a permanent solution? Surely, we're going to sign an actual left back? Surely?! If not, this is always going to be the ch_ ink in our armour and every opposition manager knows there's at least a goal or two available for them if they keep targeting that side. Palmers playing really well there, it's as good as i've seen him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Good OP We look strong at right back now (for me Iorfa would be first choice so far) but we're still relying on an average right back to fill in at left back. I would prioritize a left back over Hector any day of the week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basegreenowl Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Premier League left back loan could work if we could pull a nice player from there. The addition of a left back, the two newer targets and fingers crossed Hector should put us in good shape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 Just to be clear, I'm NOT criticising Palmer's performance against Reading because (a) this thread is about the whole season, not one game, and (b) I didn't go, so can only go by highlights which don't show enough. (From the video, perhaps he should've done better in terms of preventing their best chance @ 1.20, probably should've stuck with Meite for their goal rather than drifting into no man's land just before the cross, and did well to cut across and get a shot away in he second half. And, it's a bit of a stretch to claim that he suddenly offers an attacking threat because he has an "assist" under his belt after a hopeful chip from inside his own half - that goal was all about Harris!) I'm also NOT saying that he's incapable of doing a job as a placeholder. He's an OK fair-to-middling Championship squad player. But there's no way on God's green earth that he's a permanent solution at left back for a club with ambitions of anything beyond treading water. So, what I'm getting at is that if we don't bring a proper left back in, that probably tells us everything we need to know about the season ahead - especially after selling Joao. I understand that some want to leap to his defence (despite him not really being attacked!), but the desire to stand by your own shouldn't prevent you from applying some objectivity. It's not disloyal to recognise that he's not even a left-back! Yes, his positional sense is generally there or thereabouts (odd mistake can be forgiven) and he gets a foot in. So, he's not awful defensively (at right back) by any means. But he's not a footballer (in the total football sense, that is). His first touch, passing, crossing, speed of thought, and general ball skills are just not what is needed at the top end of the Championship. If we were starting the season with him at right back, having signed a good left back, I'd still be disappointed with the lack of ambition, but significantly less worried. If anything, perhaps it would be better to have Palmer in his preferred position and Odebajo at left back, for now. Either way, we need a proper left back. Another season of making do will consign us to a mid-table, at best, finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Whilst agreeing with some point I'll have to disagree with others. Palmer is OK and has suddenly seemed to have gained a new found enthusiasm, workrate and confidence, he's OK there and can do a job. I do think though we need a natural left back as the problem is playing a right footer on the left hinders the flow of counter attacks and can slow the pace /speed of getting down the opposition flanks and delivering quick ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Owl Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 As far as I can see the OP is arguing for a recognised left back to be the first choice left back. That's not asking for the moon is it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Rev Owl said: As far as I can see the OP is arguing for a recognised left back to be the first choice left back. That's not asking for the moon is it? Exactly my point bud. Palmer is OK, solid enough and can do a job, but a natural left footer brings better ballance and flow going forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Not a dig at Palmer but he can't be the long term LB solution. Can't think of other clubs in the Championship who don't have a first choice left-footed LB. Then again we are Sheffield Wednesday, we buck the trend with everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash77 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 hours ago, dan1980 said: We might have 6 cb but half them arnt good enough Agree jva not so 5 then, but more than half good enough for sure. Lees, borner, iorfa, thorniley, hutch all more than good enough, jva maybe ok for odd suspension/injury if desperate. So we'd be daft spunkin millions on hector at the expense of 3-4 other needy positions imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millo Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 hours ago, LJY1985 said: Hes not wrong though I think he's wrong for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, Ash77 said: Agree jva not so 5 then, but more than half good enough for sure. Lees, borner, iorfa, thorniley, hutch all more than good enough, jva maybe ok for odd suspension/injury if desperate. So we'd be daft spunkin millions on hector at the expense of 3-4 other needy positions imo Thornily is average iorfa not proven at centre back and we light in midfield so cant see hutch playing there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowbelly Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Let Moses & Penney push each other for the starting spot I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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