I hope people finally realise the consequences of FFP now

[The only way is S6]

1 minute ago, torres said:

 

Pigs managed it pretty well

 

For every pigs success there's plenty in the same boat as us. Leeds, Derby, etc

[northeastowl]

22 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said:

Just saying. 

 

There's been plenty of people that have accepted our business over recent seasons. Plenty that have backed Chansiri over not selling anyone and NOT investing in the squad but instead letting it age and stagnate. All the while other clubs have conducted business that has helped them turnover their squads in an attempt to get promoted again. If you look at it logically that is the only way to try and gain promotion, as sticking with the same bunch that have failed would be the definition of madness. Plus it has also seen many of their stocks fall in terms of value. People wonder why teams like Bristol, Brentford and Derby get top whack for players. Well, they have people at the club that negotiate well for their players AND they recognise the exact moment to sell and have ready made replacements to come in. Replacements that they also invest heavily in. 

 

Instead of blaming FFP and feeling sorry for ourselves we should have been manouvering our way through the transfer windows a lot more cleverly in recent seasons. Its been disappointing to see our 2 seasons of stagnation. 

 

Hopefully weve now learnt. We seem to have people behind the scenes that can negotiate deals for us now. Thank the lord. And also well done to Chansiri for finally seeing this. 

 

Lets get some deadwood out and sign some new, fresh faces. Add them to this fit, experienced bunch of top lads and have a real crack at reaching that top 6! 

 

For the first time under Chansiri it seems the penny has dropped and he’s realised he can’t just do what he wants and he has to play by the rules.

 

Can only be a good thing for us as a club.

[TheEnchanter]

Just now, Brommers said:

Don't disagree but how many times have Derby, Bristol and Brentford reached the playoffs in the last 4 seasons?

 

Like I said above. All have healthier accounts. None have been in embargos. All have the opportunity then to keep investing in their teams. Which gives them a shot of promotion. We have stagnated and gone backwards in that time. Our players have aged and lost value. Instead these other clubs have been investing in their squads giving them a much greater chance in the future. We've had to lower the age of our squad and get rid of deadwood losing money on a lot of them. We've not had any money to bring in new players, we've managed to get Iorfa, Harris and Odubajo for free. Other clubs have been investing because they've had the money to do so. 

[The only way is S6]

1 minute ago, alanharper said:

 

Yet as the same time, in the year following the POF how much cash did we splurge on players who didn't improve and in many cases couldn't even get into the team?

 

Only Reach and Fletcher have been decent, how much did we waste on fees and wages for Abdi, Rhodes, Jones, Van Aken, Emmanuelson, McManaman, Buckley, Boyd, Winnall etc. ? Must be looking at easily north of £30m

 

True. But without FFP the cycle could start again, on a par with the parachute money clubs. It's an unfair system. 

[Hougoumont]

Yet another veiled criticism of the Chairman. BTW...when did Brentford, Bristol and Derby get promoted recently... I must have missed it.

[lanzaroteowl]

17 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said:

 

Plenty on here have supported Chansiri over his dire transfer record. 

 

Some say dire others say savvy.

 

Beginning of last season most on here would have been cheering Rhodes out on a free to save his wages.

Joao get our money back as he will never come good.

Today Joao rumoured 5-7 million, Rhodes 2 mil loan last year plus a possible 4-5 mil transfer fee this.

Decent activity. 

 

[BC1867]

We don’t have any men behind the scenes. They were Bruce’s lot. Chansiri now operating as he did before. On his tod. Hopefully he’s learnt a few things.

[The only way is S6]

1 minute ago, TheEnchanter said:

 

Like I said above. All have healthier accounts. None have been in embargos. All have the opportunity then to keep investing in their teams. Which gives them a shot of promotion. We have stagnated and gone backwards in that time. Our players have aged and lost value. Instead these other clubs have been investing in their squads giving them a much greater chance in the future. We've had to lower the age of our squad and get rid of deadwood losing money on a lot of them. We've not had any money to bring in new players, we've managed to get Iorfa, Harris and Odubajo for free. Other clubs have been investing because they've had the money to do so. 

 

Derby, Bristol & Brentford are as near promotion as we are. Also rans for years.

[TheEnchanter]

4 minutes ago, The only way is S6 said:

 

In what way are we better than a couple of them? What's to say they won't buy players with their parachute payments & get promoted before us? 

 

Most of those teams have a positive net budget from selling players. If they buy players and get promoted its because they've spent money that they've earnt through the sale of players. 

[TheEnchanter]

1 minute ago, Hougoumont said:

Yet another veiled criticism of the Chairman. BTW...when did Brentford, Bristol and Derby get promoted recently... I must have missed it.

 

Veiled critiscism of the chairman? Damn right it is. See above posts R.E other clubs. 

[casbahowl]

8 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said:

 

Its too easy to bang the parachute payments drum. Look at the following teams. Swansea, West Brom, Stoke this season. All have sold a lot of big earners, lowered their wage bills and attempted to adjust to the Championship. 2 of those had really poor seasons. We were better than a couple of them without the parachute money. Its ourselves we need to look at. We need to be smarter with who we buy and sell. 

Decent points but you can’t dismiss that 1/3 of the Championship started the season with failure payments............ 1/3!!!

[The only way is S6]

1 minute ago, TheEnchanter said:

 

Most of those teams have a positive net budget from selling players. If they buy players and get promoted its because they've spent money that they've earnt through the sale of players. 

 

Bull. They trade players easier than us because they have parachute payments. 

[ZicoSterland2]

Poor value signings been made but no real interest in our players in last 18 months. We have made mistakes but for some reason Wednesday have never got top dollar when selling in the 45 years I have been going.

[TheEnchanter]

1 minute ago, The only way is S6 said:

 

Derby, Bristol & Brentford are as near promotion as we are. Also rans for years.

 

Where do you think we'd go in terms of improving our squad then? 

 

We have an ageing squad that have failed and finished mid table for 2 years. 

 

With what money do we improve it? How do we start competing with top teams? 

 

You HAVE to start manouvering the transfer window for a few years to gain momentum. Yes Bristol have sold a centre back for £20M. Yes that weakened them. But they then bought one for £8M from Chelsea with proven quality at this level. We on the other hand are going to be very lucky if Borner is a good player. 

 

Apply that same model all over the team and you see that other clubs are able to continually invest in their squad and we have stopped investing in ours for years. I don't see how people think we are going in the right direction transfer wise. Literally who are you expecting us to sign to try and reach the top 6? 

[torres]

3 minutes ago, The only way is S6 said:

 

For every pigs success there's plenty in the same boat as us. Leeds, Derby, etc

 

My point is, it's not impossible, you don't have to pay these ''names'' big amounts who don't really care one way or the other if the club does well.

 

We have had our fingers burnt more than most - Hooper, Abdi, Rhodes etc

 

I agree a lot of clubs do it, they see it as the quick fix  - but you still have to recruit correctly - Wolves did it brilliantly 

[TheEnchanter]

2 minutes ago, The only way is S6 said:

 

Bull. They trade players easier than us because they have parachute payments. 

 

So what do we do then? Sit and cry about it. If we go up we can look forward to those 'benefits' too. 

 

Seriously though in the last 11 years only 9 out of 33 teams have bounced straight back. 

[Bluesteel]

First season was scattergun. We signed a lot of players from abroad and then shifted again to domestic buys to double up on one or two. 

 

Second season I think that Reach and Fletcher were sound buys to address needs. On paper Abdi and Rhodes should have helped us but it is those two coupled with the likes of Jones, Boyd and a failed gamble on Van Aken that have really stumped us. Couple this with 4/5 injuries or bans to key players (we could’ve sold Lee, Forestieri, Winnall, Hooper for profit I’m sure If they had stayed available).

 

So I think it’s easy to put it down to not selling but realistically we’ve had too many issues with the players on our books.

 

I also support the idea that we need to sell high as that is what the other clubs do to keep the accounts going and it allows them to bring in a couple on an upward trajectory. However, Derby seem to be cutting a few corners and seem to break/bend the rules each season even more so than us. Rooney in next.

[TheEnchanter]

7 minutes ago, casbahowl said:

Decent points but you can’t dismiss that 1/3 of the Championship started the season with failure payments............ 1/3!!!

 

Isn't that a bit ironic though. The more that have parachute payments actually proves that more of them don't get promoted... you can't deny the truth in that statement. 

[unkastav]

36 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

It’s not FFP, it’s wasting money on rubbish players

Cheers carlos

[Bluesteel]

It’s a bit frustrating that it’s taken til late summer to sell a player for a pretty standard fee. If we were always going to reluctantly accept this albeit in the hope we’d get more later in the window, some good replacements have gone begging such as Jamal Lowe