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I hope people finally realise the consequences of FFP now

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Our 'strategy' of the last three years has been reckless and haphazard. We've been paying the price in the last 18 months or so, and there may be more implications to come yet.

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It’s not FFP, it’s wasting money on rubbish players

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We've known for a while. I think we all understood when Chansiri went mad at the presser, told us we're 8-figure-fooked and said he's selling up. Not forgetting the embargos.

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Just now, torres said:

I think most fans have been saying we should have sold more players over the last 4 years to be honest 

 

Plenty on here have supported Chansiri over his dire transfer record. 

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1 minute ago, gurujuan said:

It’s not FFP, it’s wasting money on rubbish players

 

Yeah true. I just didn't want to full on have a go at Chansiri because I've done that a lot over recent seasons and I feel he is finally learning but yes that's been the crux of the problem. 

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2 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said:

 

Plenty on here have supported Chansiri over his dire transfer record. 

 

I think most have an idea of how it all works and the majority know clubs in our league have to sell season on season to build and hopefully get up

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At some point, you have to move people on, wheel and deal etc.

 

It's how you survive in this division and compete. 

 

Sell a few on, bring a few new faces in and refresh the playing staff. 

 

Bristol City just got 20 million for a 24 year old CB who has never played in the Prem. 20 million which will be coming into that club's accounts over the course of the next 12 or so months. 

 

We can't expect to compete if we just remain with the same old faces for 5 to 6 years. 

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If Bristol, Brentford & Derby get promoted this season then I’ll be happy to accept their model works. However, up to this point all they’ve done is flipped players for a profit, strengthened other teams and not got promoted to the PL. All this trading wizardry is no good if it leads nowhere, you don’t get prizes for being the most profitable club.

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It's not my money and I support SWFC and am inpatient as i'm in my 30s now and we were relegated from the Premier League when I was a child but,

 

If I were Chansiri, I would just splash the cash like Wolves did, they showed it can be won at a canter. Messing around trying to appease FFP while building a side good enough for the Premier League and staying in the Premier League does not work

 

Wolves had a side that were good enough for the Premier League that had a years Championship experience to gel

 

If they didn't go up they were buggered but with their quality it was never going to happen

 

Fulham last year probably had a side good enough for the Premier League but they didn't have time to gel-this is what FFP is aiming to do

 

FFP is designed to keep the status quo, you have to push the boundaries with it

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2 minutes ago, Yellowbelly said:

If Bristol, Brentford & Derby get promoted this season then I’ll be happy to accept their model works. However, up to this point all they’ve done is flipped players for a profit, strengthened other teams and not got promoted to the PL. All this trading wizardry is no good if it leads nowhere, you don’t get prizes for being the most profitable club.

 

But you fail to see how its also helped them keep out of embargos. Its helped them keep bringing in players. Its helped them have a chance of promotion. Especially in Derbys case because we are much more similar to them in terms of club size and recent finishes. 

 

We on the other hand have seen our squad, that has failed over 4 seasons, age, stagnate and lose value. We've seen 2 mid table bad seasons. We've currently got 11 of the top 100 longest serving Championship players. People need to realise we need to move on from these now. The way id prefer to move on is to bring the best players we can possibly bring in in return. The only way to do that is to make sure you've got some cash to do it. 

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Has nobody mentioned the fact we're competing against ex PL teams that get relegated & have pots of money, while we are hamstrung within these farcical rules?

 

We all understand the consequences of FFP. It's the idiotic nature of them we don't get. How can a team which has been in the Championship for years compete in the same market as a recently relegated PL one? DC said himself, having money wasn't a problem, he just couldn't spend as much as he likes! If you're not in the failure payments club, you should be able to spend what you want, or at least the same as them. 

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1 minute ago, The only way is S6 said:

Has nobody mentioned the fact we're competing against ex PL teams that get relegated & have pots of money, while we are hamstrung within these farcical rules?

 

We all understand the consequences of FFP. It's the idiotic nature of them we don't get. How can a team which has been in the Championship for years compete in the same market as a recently relegated PL one? DC said himself, having money wasn't a problem, he just couldn't spend as much as he likes! If you're not in the failure payments club, you should be able to spend what you want, or at least the same as them. 

 

Its too easy to bang the parachute payments drum. Look at the following teams. Swansea, West Brom, Stoke this season. All have sold a lot of big earners, lowered their wage bills and attempted to adjust to the Championship. 2 of those had really poor seasons. We were better than a couple of them without the parachute money. Its ourselves we need to look at. We need to be smarter with who we buy and sell. 

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18 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said:

Just saying. 

 

There's been plenty of people that have accepted our business over recent seasons. Plenty that have backed Chansiri over not selling anyone and NOT investing in the squad but instead letting it age and stagnate. All the while other clubs have conducted business that has helped them turnover their squads in an attempt to get promoted again. If you look at it logically that is the only way to try and gain promotion, as sticking with the same bunch that have failed would be the definition of madness. Plus it has also seen many of their stocks fall in terms of value. People wonder why teams like Bristol, Brentford and Derby get top whack for players. Well, they have people at the club that negotiate well for their players AND they recognise the exact moment to sell and have ready made replacements to come in. Replacements that they also invest heavily in. 

 

Instead of blaming FFP and feeling sorry for ourselves we should have been manouvering our way through the transfer windows a lot more cleverly in recent seasons. Its been disappointing to see our 2 seasons of stagnation. 

 

Hopefully weve now learnt. We seem to have people behind the scenes that can negotiate deals for us now. Thank the lord. And also well done to Chansiri for finally seeing this. 

 

Lets get some deadwood out and sign some new, fresh faces. Add them to this fit, experienced bunch of top lads and have a real crack at reaching that top 6! 

Don't disagree but how many times have Derby, Bristol and Brentford reached the playoffs in the last 4 seasons?

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4 minutes ago, The only way is S6 said:

Has nobody mentioned the fact we're competing against ex PL teams that get relegated & have pots of money, while we are hamstrung within these farcical rules?

 

We all understand the consequences of FFP. It's the idiotic nature of them we don't get. How can a team which has been in the Championship for years compete in the same market as a recently relegated PL one? DC said himself, having money wasn't a problem, he just couldn't spend as much as he likes! If you're not in the failure payments club, you should be able to spend what you want, or at least the same as them. 

 

Pigs managed it pretty well

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It's not consequences of financial fair play.

 

It's consequences of a god awful transfer policy, spunking money up the wall, and Portuguese meddlers.

 

Fact.

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1 minute ago, TheEnchanter said:

 

Its too easy to bang the parachute payments drum. Look at the following teams. Swansea, West Brom, Stoke this season. All have sold a lot of big earners, lowered their wage bills and attempted to adjust to the Championship. 2 of those had really poor seasons. We were better than a couple of them without the parachute money. Its ourselves we need to look at. We need to be smarter with who we buy and sell. 

 

In what way are we better than a couple of them? What's to say they won't buy players with their parachute payments & get promoted before us? 

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1 minute ago, The only way is S6 said:

Has nobody mentioned the fact we're competing against ex PL teams that get relegated & have pots of money, while we are hamstrung within these farcical rules?

 

We all understand the consequences of FFP. It's the idiotic nature of them we don't get. How can a team which has been in the Championship for years compete in the same market as a recently relegated PL one? DC said himself, having money wasn't a problem, he just couldn't spend as much as he likes! If you're not in the failure payments club, you should be able to spend what you want, or at least the same as them. 

 

Yet as the same time, in the year following the POF how much cash did we splurge on players who didn't improve and in many cases couldn't even get into the team?

 

Only Reach and Fletcher have been decent, how much did we waste on fees and wages for Abdi, Rhodes, Jones, Van Aken, Emmanuelson, McManaman, Buckley, Boyd, Winnall etc. ? Must be looking at easily north of £30m

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21 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said:

There's been plenty of people that have accepted our business over recent seasons.

 

So not accepting means spouting here to get things changed?..

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