Bullen needs to be appointed

[Morepork]

Just now, SallyCinnamon said:

 

Will have definitely learned from their mistakes.

 

I'm sure. Definitely a how not to moment.... 

[pazowl55]

2 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

 

Key is to finding out how Wilder did it. The group he assembled were called journeymen, past it and not good enough. He played on that big time and got that group of players right up for it.

 

 So far this season we’ve had predictions we will be relegated because we are without a manager and have financial problems. Players need to react to that, rally around and prove them wrong. Bullen is part of the furniture, he’s been on the same journey as this team. I really think he knows what is required and knows how to get the best out of us.

 

Three new additions and this squad will challenge. Regardless of who is in charge. 

Exactly and that's why I think we should keep Bullen until the right manager comes along. However long it takes. 

 

But nothing good I dont think can come from naming him as full time manager now. 

You said yourself all the players love him and I agree they do so why change something to get some continuity that we seem to already have.

[poite]

12 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

 

Key is to finding out how Wilder did it. The group he assembled were called journeymen, past it and not good enough. He played on that big time and got that group of players right up for it.

 

 So far this season we’ve had predictions we will be relegated because we are without a manager and have financial problems. Players need to react to that, rally around and prove them wrong. Bullen is part of the furniture, he’s been on the same journey as this team. I really think he knows what is required and knows how to get the best out of us.

 

Three new additions and this squad will challenge. Regardless of who is in charge. 

 

He did it by building a team.

 

Not with individuals stuck together with celotape. 

 

Journeymen, has beens, League one standard, past it etc etc...means nothing. He knows what he wants from his team and he focuses on how he wants his team to play. So he gets the players that fit his vision. 

 

That's how he does it. 

 

It's very different to us who have (over the past few years) bought players based on individual ability and then tried to shoehorn them in to a system to stop the other team playing their game. 

 

Carlos cracked it in his first season. We played how he wanted us to play and took the game to the opposition and he let them worry about us.

 

After that he got found out and decided to focus on the opponent to much 

Edited August 4, 2019 by poite

[torryowl]

20 minutes ago, poite said:

 

Really? Nowt to do with Chris Wilder being arguably the best manager outside the premier League then?

he possibly is and well done the blunts for giving him a chance ……..my preferred choice as manager is tisdale from MK who has all the credentials that wilder had but  if we appointed him the meltdown on here would nuclear ….. I think he'll go with bullen and while not my first choice i'd rather have him than the serial failures off the merry-go-round that have been touted .

[East Yorks Owl]

It’s hard not to like Bullen as a bloke, but I do feel his openness could come back to bite him. Also it’s one thing being popular with the players as a coach, but when things get difficult how easy will it be for him to give them a rollicking? 

In fairness he’ll have thought everything through before throwing his hat in the ring, so maybe he might have what it takes. For the time being I’m more than comfortable for him to continue as caretaker. 

[Neon Nick]

40 minutes ago, East Yorks Owl said:

It’s hard not to like Bullen as a bloke, but I do feel his openness could come back to bite him. Also it’s one thing being popular with the players as a coach, but when things get difficult how easy will it be for him to give them a rollicking? 

In fairness he’ll have thought everything through before throwing his hat in the ring, so maybe he might have what it takes. For the time being I’m more than comfortable for him to continue as caretaker. 

I'd just bet that more than a few Players have had a "rollicking", under Mr. Interim (Bullen) it's just not for the World to see.  It's private.  Actually, had Joao NOT scored that goal, my guess is that a rollicking would have taken place, because Bullen was yelling for him (Joao) to get it to the corner, and Joao knew it, but took the shot, and....

 

No need to launch into the Player, and humiliate him, in front of the whole World, better to do that sort of thing in private, in front of the Squad, whom are his Peers, not the Social Media, and the Player will appreciate the constructive criticism, and do better the next time.  

 

Bullen is a field guy, he does not care about grand strategy, that all goes out the window after the first shot is fired, after which, it's WIN regardless of grand strategy.  To Bullen, this means ATTACK, right from the start, and right until final time.  Don't "fix" things that aren't broken, and SWFC is NOT broken, looking good, even after all that's transpired.

[Professor Plum]

Bullens a great lad to have at Hillsborough but a team manager he isn't, he'll have a great 4 weeks and then it'll go south very quickly, the job doesn't suit him or SWFC. Surprised he put himself in the frame. First rule of management, know your limitations.

I'd like each one of you to think to yourselves why we keep promoting people into jobs they cannot do. Not just thinking about football here. Throughout industry, we take people away from jobs that they are good at, and give them jobs where they fail and we leave them there.

Leave Bullen where he is, he isn't up to it.

Edited August 4, 2019 by Professor Plum

[Athelwulf]

2 hours ago, poite said:

 

He did it by building a team.

 

Not with individuals stuck together with celotape. 

 

Journeymen, has beens, League one standard, past it etc etc...means nothing. He knows what he wants from his team and he focuses on how he wants his team to play. So he gets the players that fit his vision. 

 

That's how he does it. 

 

It's very different to us who have (over the past few years) bought players based on individual ability and then tried to shoehorn them in to a system to stop the other team playing their game. 

 

Carlos cracked it in his first season. We played how he wanted us to play and took the game to the opposition and he let them worry about us.

 

After that he got found out and decided to focus on the opponent to much 

 

That's right.

 

But I'd make these points.

 

Teams wouldn't let us play that way after the first season with Carlos.

 

Remember the game against Leeds, when Monk picked the biggest midfield in history and doubled up down the flanks?

 

Wilder has managed in the lower leagues for years, serving his apprenticeship.

 

Bullen hasn't.

 

Wilder joined the Blades in the Third, where it's less demanding.

 

Bullen would be coming in at a higher level.

[Owlsend]

Why did you think the Pigs manager said that bullen should get the job because he doesn’t want us to get promoted..

 

Let him do what he does best coaching not manager

[Neon Nick]

12 minutes ago, Professor Plum said:

Bullens a great lad to have at Hillsborough but a team manager he isn't, he'll have a great 4 weeks and then it'll go south very quickly, the job doesn't suit him or SWFC. Surprised he put himself in the frame. First rule of management, know your limitations.

I'd like each one of you to think to yourselves why we keep promoting people into jobs they cannot do. Not just thinking about football here. Throughout industry, we take people away from jobs that they are good at, and give them jobs where they fail and we leave them there.

Leave Bullen where he is, he isn't up to it.

Manager maybe not, in the grand strategy sense, but he does do well on the actual battlefield, and the Players like him, which means they'll play for him, because he knows them, and their limitations.  Management doesn't win matches, Players do.  Bullen probably doesn't care about all the politics, he cares only about matchday, and how to win the match at hand.  So appoint a "Manager" for all things which Bullen cares naught for, but let Bullen fight the actual battle.  

[pachyderm]

4 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Get behind him. A siege mentality of us vs them got United up last year.

 

Why not give it a go? A poo pre season thanks to Bruce, Ashley, the EFL, the FA - it seems like the footballing gods are completely against us. In the face of adversity you need to rally together.

 

Bullen loves the club, knows what it has been through and knows the squad inside out. He is a far better candidate than the likes of Pulis and Rowett. If we all get behind him and have some belief, it can actually go a long way. 

 

The players love him. Harris and Hutch have both come out and said so. And it’s clear from the celebrations yesterday they are behind him. It might go wrong yes, and if it does it won’t be nice seeing Bullen get grief. But is he going to be a coach here for ever? He needs to make the step up one day and I truly believe the time is now. 

 

LEE LEE LEE BULLEN

I agree but hasn't he said before that he doesn't want the job?

[Socialist_Owl]

Ffs, sounds like those bleating Man Utd fans when Ole won his first matches.

 

I'm sure they'd love a do-over.

[AwokenGiant]

9 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Get behind him. A siege mentality of us vs them got United up last year.

 

Why not give it a go? A poo pre season thanks to Bruce, Ashley, the EFL, the FA - it seems like the footballing gods are completely against us. In the face of adversity you need to rally together.

 

Bullen loves the club, knows what it has been through and knows the squad inside out. He is a far better candidate than the likes of Pulis and Rowett. If we all get behind him and have some belief, it can actually go a long way. 

 

The players love him. Harris and Hutch have both come out and said so. And it’s clear from the celebrations yesterday they are behind him. It might go wrong yes, and if it does it won’t be nice seeing Bullen get grief. But is he going to be a coach here for ever? He needs to make the step up one day and I truly believe the time is now. 

 

LEE LEE LEE BULLEN

 

Rarely ever works out in English football making a former coach/caretaker the perm manager, not saying it won’t BUT the stats are against it. Because of this, I believe we need someone who is a proven manager like Utd appointed. As said yesterday, I wouldn’t look far beyond Paul Cook. 

 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2019 by AwokenGiant

[Athelwulf]

2 minutes ago, AwokenGiant said:

 

Rarely ever works out in English football making a former coach the perm manager, not saying it won’t BUT the stats are against it. Because of this, I believe we need someone who is a proven manager like Utd appointed. As said yesterday, I wouldn’t look far beyond Paul Cook. 

 

 

 

 

We'll probably stick with Bully, things will go wrong, Chansiri will dig his heels in, and by the time he eventually dismisses him there'll be nobody available.

[AwokenGiant]

6 minutes ago, Athelwulf said:

 

We'll probably stick with Bully, things will go wrong, Chansiri will dig his heels in, and by the time he eventually dismisses him there'll be nobody available.

 

Hope not, I like Bullen. 

 

Whilst it’s rare that it works out, it is extremely common that caretaker managers get a run of good results until they become perm. I’m not sure what the psychology behind this is but I feel it could have something to do with the players playing more for their places due to the dynamics of uncertainty! A good manager will keep that uncertainty - and thus battle for places going - I think it’s difficult when you’ve been a coach to then change and become a more cut-throat operator. 

 

I wish Bullen well, but personally feel he’s best suited as a go-between person/coach. 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2019 by AwokenGiant

[briggowl]

9 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said:

A poo pre season thanks to Bruce, Ashley, the EFL, the FA - it seems like the footballing gods are completely against us. In the face of adversity you need to rally together.

 

Or...The best pre-season we've had in years, players fit and ready to go, no injuries. Thanks Steve Bruce

 

Anyway your point was Bullen for manager. I'm just not sure he has confidence in himself (based on previous interviews when he's been desperate for DC to appoint a manager), especially faced with a couple of defeats, has he got the character to pull the team up? We've never seen this. Any manager appointment is a risk, would you want to risk another club legend becoming a figure of distain?

 

Not saying he wouldn't be successful, just that its a big unknown and I'd probably prefer someone with experience. Wouldn't want to be DC.

[BARMYARMY2010]

30 minutes ago, AwokenGiant said:

 

Rarely ever works out in English football making a former coach/caretaker the perm manager, not saying it won’t BUT the stats are against it. Because of this, I believe we need someone who is a proven manager like Utd appointed. As said yesterday, I wouldn’t look far beyond Paul Cook. 

 

 

 

But yet, there are those who romanticise about Stuart Gray, who was caretaker, didn't do too bad a job when given the managers job. 

[briggowl]

34 minutes ago, AwokenGiant said:

 

Rarely ever works out in English football making a former coach/caretaker the perm manager, not saying it won’t BUT the stats are against it. Because of this, I believe we need someone who is a proven manager like Utd appointed. As said yesterday, I wouldn’t look far beyond Paul Cook. 

 

 

 

 

DC has never appointed a manager in work. He is deeply offended by Bruce not honouring a contract. DC values loyalty and I can't see hime going against his principles. You're right, Paul Cook seems a good manager but would never happen while DC in charge. The same reason we wont get Stendl or Cowley bros etc etc. Look elsewhere.

[Owls-Fan]

39 minutes ago, Athelwulf said:

 

We'll probably stick with Bully, things will go wrong, Chansiri will dig his heels in, and by the time he eventually dismisses him there'll be nobody available.

 

On the flip side, it’s sounding like no one decent wants the job at the moment. Hughton, Cowley have rejected the job/interviews. If no one wants it now we’re better giving it to Bullen till January and sign 3 decent loans this week, IMO 

[Guest Ferkorf]

2 hours ago, Socialist_Owl said:

Ffs, sounds like those bleating Man Utd fans when Ole won his first matches.

 

I'm sure they'd love a do-over.

Ole took over just in time for a run of nice easy matches. Managed to beat spurs away and Arsenal in the cup.

Then drew with Burnley at old trafford... eye brows raised... wheels ended up falling off after the youth team won at psg. Then it was something like 2 wins in 12.

Looking at our fixtures I'd say theres a nice easy run of winnable games if our player are up for it