SiJ Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 24 minutes ago, Miffed said: Rangers and Celtic should have been allowed into the EFL ladder years ago but IMO the real reason they won’t be allowed is because, long term, they would be seen as a threat to the precious Liverpool’s and Man Uniteds of this world. Just like FFP or P&S, they are terrified of another Man City situation where someone comes and ‘buys the league’ at the expense of one of the media darlings. More teams capable of challenging for the 4 champions league places. And when people say that the Scottish Leagues would thrive without the Glasgow 2, maybe so, but what would happen if a team like Hearts dominated the league for 5 or 6 years? Would there then be a case for them to come knocking on the door? Has it not crossed your mind that teams might take issue with two teams getting dropped into the top flight. Kind of undermines the whole league system, dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Plus...having the old firm would probably see Man U, Liverpool and so forth making more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Newsome Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Letting Rangers and Celtic in would be ridiculous, then again we already have 3 Welsh clubs in the EFL and if Wrexham come up this season that's 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miffed Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 56 minutes ago, SiJ said: Has it not crossed your mind that teams might take issue with two teams getting dropped into the top flight. Kind of undermines the whole league system, dont you think? Who said anything about being dropped straight into the top flight? Thats why I said the EFL ladder and said long term they would be a threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Miffed said: Who said anything about being dropped straight into the top flight? Thats why I said the EFL ladder and said long term they would be a threat. Why should they bypass teams outside the EFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miffed Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, SiJ said: Why should they bypass teams outside the EFL? Not saying I’m for or against the idea but let’s face it, we have teams in the league that have recently been unable to fulfil their own fixtures. Why should they continue to take the place of other teams who would be able to compete and be sustainable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Miffed said: Not saying I’m for or against the idea but let’s face it, we have teams in the league that have recently been unable to fulfil their own fixtures. Why should they continue to take the place of other teams who would be able to compete and be sustainable? That's two completely different issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John O'Brien Posted August 4, 2019 Author Share Posted August 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Not Jon Newsome said: Letting Rangers and Celtic in would be ridiculous, then again we already have 3 Welsh clubs in the EFL and if Wrexham come up this season that's 4. And you had an English team playing in the Scottish League last season, Berwick Rangers. Sadly they got relegated from Division 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisgruntledOwl Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Miffed said: Not saying I’m for or against the idea but let’s face it, we have teams in the league that have recently been unable to fulfil their own fixtures. Why should they continue to take the place of other teams who would be able to compete and be sustainable? Like Rangers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beighton Owl 87 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 On 03/08/2019 at 18:18, SiJ said: The top 5 clubs in the SPFL are a similar to the Championship....ahahahahaha I'll give you Celtic and Rangers. As for the rest On paper Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibernian are probably Championship standard albeit relegation fodder if they were in this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 On 01/08/2019 at 16:57, Ever the pessimist said: Celtic Rangers Aberdeen Hearts Hibs Celtic to fail in champions league qualifying final round. Second thoughts... having seen the draw they’ll make the group stages this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 On 04/08/2019 at 13:19, SiJ said: Has it not crossed your mind that teams might take issue with two teams getting dropped into the top flight. Kind of undermines the whole league system, dont you think? The teams won't care when they realise there is money to be made from them. Which is the only reason why Scottish football still has 3 and in most cases 4 matches against each team a season, only time any team sells out is when Celtic or Rangers visit and no team wants to give up on 4 massive money making matches. When Bolton and Bury are kicked out the league, making it run at just 22 for this season, I'd offer them both their spots next season to make it back up 24. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beighton Owl 87 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: The teams won't care when they realise there is money to be made from them. Which is the only reason why Scottish football still has 3 and in most cases 4 matches against each team a season, only time any team sells out is when Celtic or Rangers visit and no team wants to give up on 4 massive money making matches. When Bolton and Bury are kicked out the league, making it run at just 22 for this season, I'd offer them both their spots next season to make it back up 24. They'd have to start at the bottom and work their way up. The efl proposed reducing the leagues to 20 teams and adding an extra tier. If Celtic and Rangers were up for it I'm sure they would be two of the additional clubs invited to join the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinburghowl Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 12 hours ago, Beighton Owl 87 said: On paper Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibernian are probably Championship standard albeit relegation fodder if they were in this division. Barnsley beat ex Premier League Fulham at the weekend. I think we would be towards the bottom of the table in the Championship with our current squad but I’d fancy Hearts to beat Barnsley and finish above them in a league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinburghowl Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Which is the only reason why Scottish football still has 3 and in most cases 4 matches against each team a season, only time any team sells out is when Celtic or Rangers visit and no team wants to give up on 4 massive money making matches. The 4 games in a season is down to the TV companies demanding 4 Old Firm games per season and the authorities pandering to the them and the two Glasgow teams. Some clubs want league reconstruction and most fan bases prefer and want a 16 or 18 team league setup. As for sell outs only happening against Rangers and Celtic. Hearts had a period for nearly 18 months solid recently where we sold out the home allocation for every single league fixture. Edinburgh derbies are also always a sell out at Hibs ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieowl87 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49240757 Rangers blaming Kilmarnock for Rangers fan's invading Kilmarnock's pitch... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Owl 2 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Rangers and Celtic can start at the normal entry level if they want. I think its the 8th tier and let them work their way up. The reduction in gate money, tv money and European football money would be missed though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John O'Brien Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 5 hours ago, aussieowl87 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49240757 Rangers blaming Kilmarnock for Rangers fan's invading Kilmarnock's pitch... It was the same when they trampled over their own disabled fans at the final whistle when they lost at Celtic Park. They blamed Scott Brown. It’s never their fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 5 hours ago, aussieowl87 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49240757 Rangers blaming Kilmarnock for Rangers fan's invading Kilmarnock's pitch... Rangers complaining about the section for disabled fans Yes, shocking that Killy didnt build an enclosure with a roof strong enough for their own fans to jump on. Cheeky flaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieowl87 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, owls maniac said: Rangers complaining about the section for disabled fans Yes, shocking that Killy didnt build an enclosure with a roof strong enough for their own fans to jump on. Cheeky flaps. 58 minutes ago, John O'Brien said: It was the same when they trampled over their own disabled fans at the final whistle when they lost at Celtic Park. They blamed Scott Brown. It’s never their fault. Found it embarrassing, especially when released as an official statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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