Bearwood Owl1 Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 Not my picture, but I'm wondering if it's time to rethink Steve Burtenshaw? A couple of the ex players I've spoken to recently for my book on the period rated his coaching and enthusiasm. Set up Middlewood Rovers. And I'm told (some) fans protested about his sacking. Has anyone got any other arguments in favour? I know there are lots against :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 Win rate 18% Better than eustace........ (thats not an accolade) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 He liked Buff Envelopes .. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 When you look at it.. How many f.ookin' managers have we had...that just sorta "wandered in" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: When you look at it.. How many f.ookin' managers have we had...that just sorta "wandered in" ? Well talking of Wandering ... Made me think of this chap ...... Wanderly by name Wander by nature He's on his 36th club managed !!!!!...... Edited June 8, 2019 by OWLERTON GHOST 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 1983 Campo Grande 1983 Rio Branco 1984 Friburguense 1984 Al-Ittihad 1985 Democrata 1987 America 1989–1990 Bragantino 1991 Guarani 1991 Flamengo 1992–1993 Ponte Preta 1993–1995 Palmeiras 1995 Flamengo 1995 Paraná 1995–1996 Palmeiras 1997 Santos 1998 Corinthians 1998–2000 Brazil 2001 Corinthians 2002 Palmeiras 2002–2004 Cruzeiro 2004 Santos 2005–2006 Real Madrid 2006–2007 Santos 2008–2009 Palmeiras 2009 Santos 2010 Atlético Mineiro 2010–2012 Flamengo 2012–2013 Grêmio 2013 Fluminense 2014–2015 Flamengo 2015 Cruzeiro 2016 Tianjin Quanjian 2017 Sport Recife 2019- Vasco da Gama Got about a bit hasn't he?...Should arrive at Hillsboro' any minute mate Vasco de gama his last club...fittingly enough...probably the only bloke thats travelled further ............. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwood Owl1 Posted June 8, 2019 Author Share Posted June 8, 2019 I love how Owlstalk just goes random sometimes :) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 15 hours ago, asteener1867 said: 1983 Campo Grande 1983 Rio Branco 1984 Friburguense 1984 Al-Ittihad 1985 Democrata 1987 America 1989–1990 Bragantino 1991 Guarani 1991 Flamengo 1992–1993 Ponte Preta 1993–1995 Palmeiras 1995 Flamengo 1995 Paraná 1995–1996 Palmeiras 1997 Santos 1998 Corinthians 1998–2000 Brazil 2001 Corinthians 2002 Palmeiras 2002–2004 Cruzeiro 2004 Santos 2005–2006 Real Madrid 2006–2007 Santos 2008–2009 Palmeiras 2009 Santos 2010 Atlético Mineiro 2010–2012 Flamengo 2012–2013 Grêmio 2013 Fluminense 2014–2015 Flamengo 2015 Cruzeiro 2016 Tianjin Quanjian 2017 Sport Recife 2019- Vasco da Gama Got about a bit hasn't he?...Should arrive at Hillsboro' any minute mate Vasco de gama his last club...fittingly enough...probably the only bloke thats travelled further ............. Kin ell Makes Carlos look like Fergie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 when you look at who he worked for as a coach then you'd think theres not much doubt about his ability in that department but as a manager he was a fecking disaster who didn't have a clue and I certainly cant recall too much protest from what fans remained when he got the bullet …….I realise that he was working under financial restraints but the signings he made were in the main appalling .players like brown,mcivor,henson,quinn, ramsbottom,dowd wernt of the quality required for the players they were replacing and him signing colin Harvey and wasting 60k of his very limited budget on a player who clearly wasn't fit just about sums him up . …….ranks along with danny Williams as the worst we've had . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwood Owl1 Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 Was told that there was 'sack the board' chants when he went. Though that happened most weeks I guess :) Good coach, good bloke, failed as manager I think will be the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendaryswan Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 His coaching abilty is beyond any doubt,but as a manager he was a hopeless failure. Almost took us through two divisions in 2 seasons,he followed that up with a stint as boss at QPR where he had a win ratio of 14%,Rangers won a paltry 6 games under him,and lost 22 he took them from mid table to 3rd bottom and only his sacking and installing Docherty saved Rangers from the drop. He also holds the record of the least successfull arsenal manager,all be it caretaker,he took over when Don Howe resigned,at the time Arse had won their last four games,He returned a success rate of 27% winning just 3 of his 11 games in charge it included a 0-3 defeat to Oxford Utd in his final game. Great coach,crap manager,results dont lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 hours ago, legendaryswan said: His coaching abilty is beyond any doubt,but as a manager he was a hopeless failure. Almost took us through two divisions in 2 seasons,he followed that up with a stint as boss at QPR where he had a win ratio of 14%,Rangers won a paltry 6 games under him,and lost 22 he took them from mid table to 3rd bottom and only his sacking and installing Docherty saved Rangers from the drop. He also holds the record of the least successfull arsenal manager,all be it caretaker,he took over when Don Howe resigned,at the time Arse had won their last four games,He returned a success rate of 27% winning just 3 of his 11 games in charge it included a 0-3 defeat to Oxford Utd in his final game. Great coach,crap manager,results dont lie any idea who the assistant /coach was with him at Hillsborough ?...…...blowed if I can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwood Owl1 Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 6 hours ago, torryowl said: any idea who the assistant /coach was with him at Hillsborough ?...…...blowed if I can remember. Gerry Young. It was his birthday when they sacked him and SB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 20 hours ago, legendaryswan said: His coaching abilty is beyond any doubt,but as a manager he was a hopeless failure. Almost took us through two divisions in 2 seasons,he followed that up with a stint as boss at QPR where he had a win ratio of 14%,Rangers won a paltry 6 games under him,and lost 22 he took them from mid table to 3rd bottom and only his sacking and installing Docherty saved Rangers from the drop. He also holds the record of the least successfull arsenal manager,all be it caretaker,he took over when Don Howe resigned,at the time Arse had won their last four games,He returned a success rate of 27% winning just 3 of his 11 games in charge it included a 0-3 defeat to Oxford Utd in his final game. Great coach,crap manager,results dont lie That's just not true. He was sacked immediately after we beat Millwall 4-1 in October of 75 which had us in 12th place. Ashurst was appointed on 15th October 1975 and it took four or 5 games before he got his first win (November 5th v Gillingham) and we all know how the rest of the season panned out. Whether Burtenshaw would have done any better or not who knows (probably not) but he inherited a poor team which needed a major rebuild and we just had no money at the time. Ashurst was certainly a capable enough manager and he struggled and only lasted two seasons. Then along came a certain Jack Charlton. Just as a funny aside, whenever I type in Ashurst the spell check automatically alters it to Accurst which given Wednesday managers track record of the time seems rather appropriate! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwood Owl1 Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Utah Owl said: That's just not true. He was sacked immediately after we beat Millwall 4-1 in October of 75 which had us in 12th place. Ashurst was appointed on 15th October 1975 and it took four or 5 games before he got his first win (November 5th v Gillingham) and we all know how the rest of the season panned out. Whether Burtenshaw would have done any better or not who knows (probably not) but he inherited a poor team which needed a major rebuild and we just had no money at the time. Ashurst was certainly a capable enough manager and he struggled and only lasted two seasons. Then along came a certain Jack Charlton. Just as a funny aside, whenever I type in Ashurst the spell check automatically alters it to Accurst which given Wednesday managers track record of the time seems rather appropriate! Not necessarily disagreeing with the point, but I believe SB went before the 4-1 as that was one of Jim Macnearney's two games as caretaker manager I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 burtenshaw was sacked on oct 1st his last game was a 1-1 draw away at palace which left us in 16th place ….. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 So his last three games in that case were 4-0 at home v Grimsby (our biggest win of the season) 0-1 defeat at Chesterfield and 1-1 draw at Palace who finished 5th and went up the following year. At that point I would suggest he wasn't doing to badly (not to detract from the previous season's absolute disaster) and was starting to find his feet. It's not so much that he was sacked (he really should have gone as soon as relegation became inevitable in Feb 75), it's just that the timing seemed strange. Was he having personal issues with the board or was he sacked to distract from their abject running of the club? Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 6 hours ago, Utah Owl said: So his last three games in that case were 4-0 at home v Grimsby (our biggest win of the season) 0-1 defeat at Chesterfield and 1-1 draw at Palace who finished 5th and went up the following year. At that point I would suggest he wasn't doing to badly (not to detract from the previous season's absolute disaster) and was starting to find his feet. It's not so much that he was sacked (he really should have gone as soon as relegation became inevitable in Feb 75), it's just that the timing seemed strange. Was he having personal issues with the board or was he sacked to distract from their abject running of the club? Who knows? i think we had a change of chairman with McGee replacing sheppard and old bert probably wanted to bring in his own choice ….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwood Owl1 Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 9 hours ago, torryowl said: i think we had a change of chairman with McGee replacing sheppard and old bert probably wanted to bring in his own choice ….. Yes, Bert McGee and Matt Sheppard swapped roles, McGee became chairman, Sheppard as vice-chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Bearwood Owl1 said: Yes, Bert McGee and Matt Sheppard swapped roles, McGee became chairman, Sheppard as vice-chairman. Even so strange timing, by this time Burtenshaw was getting better results, and Ashurst got off to a shocking start. The fact that it went down to the final game of the season was a complete embarrassment. It was only by virtue of the fact that we won the last 5 at home that we stopped up at all and in the first game of that run we had to rely on an 86th minute OG from Colchester to save us, in front of less than 7,000 fans. We worshipped Accurst as a saviour at the time, but in retrospect I'm not sure that Burtenshaw would have been as bad or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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