Wednesday's "outrageous" Rhodes valuation

[RUMBELOWS91 8,718]

https://www.pinkun.com/norwich-city/norwich-city-chief-admits-rhodes-return-is-unlikely-1-6081461

 

Very interesting read re Rhodes but it's this bit I find most interesting....

 

"he's 29, he's got two years left on his contract at Wednesday, their valuation of him last summer was outrageous and that will be pretty high again."

 

Is this symptomatic of the way we've been conducting our business for the last few years?

 

Is our apparent 'no sale' policy down to wanting to keep the squad together or have we just been grossly over-valuing our players?

 

Will this be an area Bruce will change I wonder?

 

[osowl 89]

8 minutes ago, RUMBELOWS91 said:

https://www.pinkun.com/norwich-city/norwich-city-chief-admits-rhodes-return-is-unlikely-1-6081461

 

Very interesting read re Rhodes but it's this bit I find most interesting....

 

"he's 29, he's got two years left on his contract at Wednesday, their valuation of him last summer was outrageous and that will be pretty high again."

 

Is this symptomatic of the way we've been conducting our business for the last few years?

 

Is our apparent 'no sale' policy down to wanting to keep the squad together or have we just been grossly over-valuing our players?

 

Will this be an area Bruce will change I wonder?

 

Well it seems the sensible thing is either sell him to Norwich for maybe 3-4 Million, or he has to be our first/second choice striker.

 

I say that since I don't see other clubs coming in for him, so we either sell him or use him. 

 

Steve Bruce, over to you then...

[Mr. Tom 9,218]

I don’t think we can really talk about Rhodes in terms of the general model of our (broadly pretty dreadful) transfer activity/policy over the past 3-4 years. Despite the fact that most of us were delighted to get him here, the deal that brought him in was a uniquely naive and shortsighted one, even by our own maddeningly clumsy standards.

 

We paid so wildly over the odds for him that we can’t possibly sell at a ‘reasonable’ price now, having had so little out of him for the investment we made, without looking like total mugs. (Although the coldly pragmatic part of me says we probably still should do, for his sake and ours - even if it amounts to a tacit public admission that we got our pants pulled down.)

 

On the other hand, I’d love to see what he can do under Bruce, who I do believe will focus on bringing in some pace down the flanks to provide better service into the box. Finally. We haven’t had that in YEARS, and it was a big part of why JR didn’t get any joy here. Who knows, it could change things massively.

 

Either way, point is we’ve timed it all so badly that if we give him another season here and it doesn’t work again, we’ll barely be able to ask anything for him the year after - 30, contract winding down, high wage. (A million if we’re lucky?)

 

Had we made a better post-CC appointment than Jos, who knows. But the time we wasted treading water there played a big part in putting us where we are now re: Rhodes, ie. in a very awkward position.

 

One thing I really think we must bear in mind either way is that none of this is Jordan’s fault, and it’s unfair to talk the way some do as if he had anything to do with the fee. We’ve spent considerably more, collectively, on at least four or five other players who’ve contributed far less between them even than Rhodes has been able to in his frustrating time here so far.

 

There’s no use in pointing the finger at any one person, because it’s been a joint effort really, but the money we’ve frittered in the past few years on weird agent shenanigans and gross errors of judgment really has been shocking.

 

Rhodes may have had the highest individual price tag, but reactions to his time at Norwich have for me confirmed what we already knew: look past the silly numbers and he’s a player who will score goals (9 for Norwich = joint third top scorer for us, level with Reach), even when not fully sharp/on form/starting. A true pro who always works his butt off and is great for the dressing room. He’s still ours as things stand - it’d be absolutely joyful to see him hit 20 in a season here. Can he? I suspect so, but it’s a gamble.

 

We know we’ve stuffed up financially, and selling for just £3-4m now - although exacerbating our FFP issues in the very short-term - might well be less damaging overall than getting next to nothing in 12 months’ time (having already paid another year of his wages). Or perhaps not, depending on how the 3-year rolling loss period works out - you’d need the full accounts in front of you to really see all the permutations clearly.

 

Can we afford to roll the dice again on keeping him? Fletcher has played brilliantly this season, but not as a finisher, whereas that’s really all Rhodes does in the right setup. Bruce badly needs a player LIKE Rhodes, but we’ve not got the money to buy anyone established - it’s JR or a young loan gamble.

 

High stakes. Very tricky situation.

[quinnssweetshop 1,882]

Just get rid of him, he's no desire to play for us, didn't give a to55 whilst he was here, bottled out of taking a penalty against his beloved Huddersfield

An absolute waste of money.  get him off the books. And no...I never wanted him here at the time either ( before anyone uses that excuse )
 

We don't need bottlers this season. We need people that want to play for the club.

Edited June 1 by quinnssweetshop

[Mr. Tom 9,218]

1 minute ago, quinnssweetshop said:

Just get rid of him, he's no desire to play for us, didn't give a to55 whilst he was here, bottled out of taking a penalty against his beloved Huddersfield

An absolute waste of money.  get him off the books. And no...I never wanted him here at the time either ( before anyone uses that excuse )

 

Sympathise with the frustration mate but honestly I think your first paragraph there is way off. It seemed far more like his struggle for form/service in a weird team shape here shredded what little confidence was left in him after his Boro debacle. He was visibly delighted to be here and worked hard, but looked broken by the time ‘pengate’ came along.

 

Don’t forget how toxic the atmosphere was becoming around S6 at that time. Yes he *should’ve* been able to shrug that off as a professional, but we all know his personality - he’s about the nicest guy in football, and for better or worse that tends to mean he’s very human with it. He was properly rattled, desire or commitment didn’t come into it for me.

[DesWalker 1,163]

Hopefully this is just a bit of brinksmanship on DC’s behalf. It took a while to sort his loan out last year from memory. 

 

 

[Junk Smuggler 3,552]

DC struggles with the whole ‘selling’ aspect of any player. Absolutely no point in overpricing players just for their contracts to run down and they leave for nothing at the end of them. 

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem 31,041]

That makes for interesting reading. Norwich really do rate him, don't they?

 

"It's a difficult one with Jordan because he did so well for us, on and off the pitch. When we talk in terms of the cultural architects within the group, which we've spent a lot of time developing, that's so important, that people get what we want to be.

 

He was an unbelievable leader in that and people will never - unless you're in the building every day - appreciate what he gave to this club - in terms of other than the important goals he scored, which were there for all to see."

 

We've certainly not seen the best of Rhodes at Wednesday, but given a fresh start under Bruce, he could yet go on to be of similar importance to us.

[quinnssweetshop 1,882]

37 minutes ago, Mr. Tom said:

 

Sympathise with the frustration mate but honestly I think your first paragraph there is way off. It seemed far more like his struggle for form/service in a weird team shape here shredded what little confidence was left in him after his Boro debacle. He was visibly delighted to be here and worked hard, but looked broken by the time ‘pengate’ came along.

 

Don’t forget how toxic the atmosphere was becoming around S6 at that time. Yes he *should’ve* been able to shrug that off as a professional, but we all know his personality - he’s about the nicest guy in football, and for better or worse that tends to mean he’s very human with it. He was properly rattled, desire or commitment didn’t come into it for me.

He's supposed to be a pro, not a patient. He was happy to take the cash... and footballs a team game. He was never a team player.
 

Any " striker " who doesn't want to take a penalty on thousands per week... for doing just that.........should never play for us again.
 

let's get him off the books and promote the youth that wants to actually play for the club. Not sit and whimper.

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[McRightSide 4,845]

Must be a depressing day when people decide they want to buy you for what you do off the pitch rather than on it

[gurujuan 7,486]

Be happy if we can get enough to cover the Hector deal, Rhodes isn’t good enough to build a side around. I said at the time, Boro have had our pants down, but we’ll be very lucky to do the same to Norwich, or anyone else.

[Rogerwyldesmullet 1,977]

10 minutes ago, quinnssweetshop said:

He's supposed to be a pro, not a patient. He was happy to take the cash... and footballs a team game. He was never a team player.
 

Any " striker " who doesn't want to take a penalty on thousands per week... for doing just that.........should never play for us again.

 

a) if it wasn’t for a brilliant save by the Udds goalie in extra time he would have got us to Wembley

b) He had missed against Leeds and that was probably on his mind

c) It takes a brave man to be a coward some times. Why Waddle took that penalty against Wolves in the Cup 1994 .... he was crap at ‘em - proved a decisive turning point for the club. 

d) Rhodes may have come up short in his time at S6 but perhaps with the possible exception of Bannan, so have ALL the players either in terms goals ( eg Atty, Joao) fitness (eg Lee, Hooper, Hutch, Abdi), consistency (eg Reach, Lees), ability (Jones, Van Aken). That’s why we are where we are, it ain’t all JRs fault. 

Edited June 1 by Rogerwyldesmullet

[Ian 1,337]

A 29 year old striker with 2 years left on his contract and wanted by a Premiership team.......I’d love to know how many players of that ilk are valued at less than £10 million

[Bluesteel 13,738]

We have turned down decent bids for players because we either didn’t want to sell or wanted more money. In some cases asking for more might be ok but in the case of players like David Jones and potentially even Jordan Rhodes it makes sense to try and get some money back.

 

Reading the article though it all seems part of the negotiation. Never said the deal was off, just a public message of “lower the price please”

Edited June 1 by Bluesteel

[quinnssweetshop 1,882]

5 minutes ago, Rogerwyldesmullet said:

 

Rhodes may have come up short in his time at S6

 

it ain’t all JRs fault. 

1. Threads about Jordan Rhodes - You're spot on with the first line
2. Never said it was - refer to point 1

Jordan Rhodes was crap for us. there's no argument on that.
Get rid, get a player in that wants to play for us, not someone that doesn't

[kevtheowl 1,319]

My message to Norwiich is  PAY UP OR SHUT UP.   UTO

[striker 3,283]

Hopefully valuations will meet in the middle and he will go, best for us and the player. Sounds like they want him, but at a realistic price and to be fair, I can't blame them, £7m is ridiculous. 

 

One thing is for sure, can't drag in like it did last year. Norwich won't wait around now they need to plan for the premier league. 

Edited June 1 by striker

[jonnyowl 1,782]

When Carlos said Rhodes had to adapt to the way we play did it for me.

 

You don't sign a proven striker for £8million and try and adapt his game.to suit the team, you play to his strengths. If he stays I hope Bruce can do this!

[gurujuan 7,486]

Has Jordan accepted that he will only ever have a role from the bench? That will certainly be the way he’s used at Norwich, but if he’s settled back in East Anglia, and he can earn a Premier League wage, then why not. There won’t be many clubs where he will get a gig, as most sides now cannot carry a goal poacher. 

[sheriwozgod 2,501]

Nothing against Rhodes but his signing has been a disaster from start to finish.

 

Think we received a £1M loan fee last year ?............if so i would settle on £4m right now which would recoup half of what we paid , and get the f*** outta Dodge before Norwich change their mind.