billyblack Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Just now, Minton said: But the top players will go to those clubs because they can offer 4 times the wages that mid table teams could offer. The only way a wage cap would work is if it was equal for all the teams with say, 3 marquee signings allowed where their salary doesn't count to the wage cap. The issue then becomes one of competing with European clubs, because if they don't get the same wage cap, then the English leagues will be drained of talent completely. A perfect example of this is rugby union, where French teams were paying quadruple what English, South African, Australian and New Zealand teams were paying and most of the talent went to go play there. Yes, but many top teams have 50 or 60 excellent players, they loan 30 out a season. Why? To stop other teams having them. Dont need a wage cap. Wont work, just need to level the playing field in other ways. Limit player numbers, go back to 3 subs or even 1 sub. All ways to help narrow the gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, billyblack said: Yes, but many top teams have 50 or 60 excellent players, they loan 30 out a season. Why? To stop other teams having them. Dont need a wage cap. Wont work, just need to level the playing field in other ways. Limit player numbers, go back to 3 subs or even 1 sub. All ways to help narrow the gap. Well the rules for 2018/19 were a 25 player squad, 8 of which must be 'homegrown' (a player trained by a club in the UK for a minimum of 3 years before his 21st birthday). Players under 21 don't have to be registered. Chelsea are offenders of mass loans, but a lot of teams only have 10-12 players out on loan, some to aid their development by going to other UK teams and some to foreign/partner teams to comply with work permit rules. It's not exactly ruining the leagues is it? Edited May 25, 2019 by Minton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Minton said: Well the rules for 2018/19 were a 25 player squad, 8 of which must be 'homegrown' (a player trained by a club in the UK for a minimum of 3 years before his 21st birthday). Players under 21 don't have to be registered. Chelsea are offenders of mass loans, but a lot of teams only have 10-12 players out on loan, some to aid their development by going to other UK teams and some to foreign/partner teams to comply with work permit rules. It's not exactly ruining the leagues is it? 10 or 12 players that could be playing elsewhere. Make it 1 sub, you dont need a squad of 25. Players only stay as they make the 7 on the bench. If that goes away they will want find first team football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, billyblack said: 10 or 12 players that could be playing elsewhere. Make it 1 sub, you dont need a squad of 25. Players only stay as they make the 7 on the bench. If that goes away they will want find first team football They are playing elsewhere, just not at their parent club. And only 1 sub? Really don't see how that can work from a tactical point of view, never mind from a fitness or injury point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogbad Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 hour ago, billyblack said: 10 or 12 players that could be playing elsewhere. Make it 1 sub, you dont need a squad of 25. Players only stay as they make the 7 on the bench. If that goes away they will want find first team football 1 sub would totally unworkable, put players on the scrap heap & give youngsters even less opportunity to break into the professional game. In the Premier & EFL alone there would be 456 players surplus to requirements. They might get a club lower down the leagues but there would be a knock on affect of lower league players being jettisoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 42 minutes ago, mogbad said: 1 sub would totally unworkable, put players on the scrap heap & give youngsters even less opportunity to break into the professional game. In the Premier & EFL alone there would be 456 players surplus to requirements. They might get a club lower down the leagues but there would be a knock on affect of lower league players being jettisoned. Worked before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Minton said: They are playing elsewhere, just not at their parent club. And only 1 sub? Really don't see how that can work from a tactical point of view, never mind from a fitness or injury point of view. Nonense. Why cant it work. It has worked. They may be playing elsewhere, but not owned, 3 months, 6 months there. Not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogbad Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, billyblack said: Worked before. Brilliant answer FFS. Let's go back 32 years. The intensity of modern football, the fitness requirements & recovery times simply would not work with 1 substitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, mogbad said: Brilliant answer FFS. Let's go back 32 years. The intensity of modern football, the fitness requirements & recovery times simply would not work with 1 substitution. So has diet, training, monitoring, nutrition, works both ways. Are you telling me a proffesional footballer in this day and age cant last 95mins. Absolute crock Edited May 25, 2019 by billyblack Change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, billyblack said: Nonense. Why cant it work. It has worked. They may be playing elsewhere, but not owned, 3 months, 6 months there. Not the same. Absolutely no chance a team could play with only 1 sub with the competitions now. Man City have played 61 matches this season, then add in international games as well. With the speed and intensity of football these days, there is no way a player be able to play every match. What would happen with only 1 sub allowed is that teams competing at the top end would need 2 full squads, which would mean that they would have even MORE players than they would stockpile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 I'm up for going back 32 years....Don't have to wait long to go up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Minton said: Absolutely no chance a team could play with only 1 sub with the competitions now. Man City have played 61 matches this season, then add in international games as well. With the speed and intensity of football these days, there is no way a player be able to play every match. What would happen with only 1 sub allowed is that teams competing at the top end would need 2 full squads, which would mean that they would have even MORE players than they would stockpile. Just rubbish. They would need to change tactics instead. Its called levelling the field which i thought was the original point of this particular discussion. Edited May 25, 2019 by billyblack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, billyblack said: Just rubbish. They would need to change tactics instead. You mean play slow, grim, grind out football? Yeah, the fans will lap that one up What about in Europe? Every other team will have fresher and more talented squads able to play quicker and better football, you wouldn't see an English team winning a thing. Just come to terms with the fact that football has changed in the last 30 years ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogbad Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, billyblack said: So has diet, training, monitoring, nutrition, works both ways. Are you telling me a proffesional footballer in this day and age cant last 95mins. Absolute crock I think you've got the monopoly on crock pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 34 minutes ago, Minton said: Absolutely no chance a team could play with only 1 sub with the competitions now. Man City have played 61 matches this season, then add in international games as well. With the speed and intensity of football these days, there is no way a player be able to play every match. What would happen with only 1 sub allowed is that teams competing at the top end would need 2 full squads, which would mean that they would have even MORE players than they would stockpile. 17 minutes ago, Minton said: You mean play slow, grim, grind out football? Yeah, the fans will lap that one up What about in Europe? Every other team will have fresher and more talented squads able to play quicker and better football, you wouldn't see an English team winning a thing. Just come to terms with the fact that football has changed in the last 30 years ffs Liverpool used to play 60+ games season after season. Didn't stop them dominating Europe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, Minton said: You mean play slow, grim, grind out football? Yeah, the fans will lap that one up What about in Europe? Every other team will have fresher and more talented squads able to play quicker and better football, you wouldn't see an English team winning a thing. Just come to terms with the fact that football has changed in the last 30 years ffs They have a squad, rotate it to rest players. Not hard FFS. One sub on the day Jesus, not hard. Players fitter than ever been. Just rounduns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, mogbad said: I think you've got the monopoly on crock pal. Just talking rubbish mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, billyblack said: They have a squad, rotate it to rest players. Not hard FFS. One sub on the day Jesus, not hard. Players fitter than ever been. Just rounduns But you were saying that the squads should be smaller? How many players would you suggest they have in a squad then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 3 hours ago, billyblack said: 10 or 12 players that could be playing elsewhere. Make it 1 sub, you dont need a squad of 25. Players only stay as they make the 7 on the bench. If that goes away they will want find first team football give me £25k a week and tell me i'm not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, Minton said: You mean play slow, grim, grind out football? Yeah, the fans will lap that one up What about in Europe? Every other team will have fresher and more talented squads able to play quicker and better football, you wouldn't see an English team winning a thing. Just come to terms with the fact that football has changed in the last 30 years ffs they'd be lucky to escape the group games. anyone worth their salt would play abroad where you're not expected to work your kn****rs off twice a week, with no subs. maybe we could all have a 30 odd year old car, and keep fit by shoving the b***ard or walking home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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