dorian gray Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Shifty Powers said: Need to give the lad a chance. We were all raving how good he was when he first started with us and we finally had a cultured centre half who could ping a pass. He then got embarrassed and humiliated by Sheff United (along with a few others) and with a long standing injury, he has never recovered both mentally and physically. I trust Bruce whole heartily with this one to see if he thinks he is good enough, but I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss him. I’d defo give him a chance. F*** 'culture and pinging passes', give me a couple who defend like their lives are on the line, like mick lyons did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swfc4_sufc0 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Having invested plenty of our scarce cash in him, let's wait and see what some proper coaching, and a method of playing that actually suits the players that we have on the pitch can achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earlsfieldowl Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Probably some talent in there but has been managed poorly by both CC and JL. ..not the first to suffer here in this fashion and probably not the last, though I have some confidence Bruce will be able to buck the trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky belly Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Will be interesting to see what Bruce thinks of him. I think he will want him out and to bring his own people in. I don't know if he has the potential to come good, but what i do know is he cost us a goal in pretty much every game he played for us and his basic grasp of defending was terrible. He can ping 60 yard pin point passes though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 he will go down in a list of our 5 worst ever signings. 4million fee prob a minimum of 20k a week ,never ever is fit ,a younger version of abdi , getting shut is not possible is he here for 2 more years or just 1?. the lad is incredibly skinny for a centre half saw him going down the steps last year on his way to players entrance and I was shocked how thin his legs were, no wonder he is always breaking down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigash_swfc Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 A classic case of a quadrupled wage and not the player we expected. Probably had afew chats with Urby about how to go under the radar until the end of his deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 2 hours ago, oz_owl said: Who have we signed that Bruce didn't want? Nobody this is silly post. Bruce made it clear he has final say on all signings. Evidence shows he would walk if this was done. CC had final say but had no idea about qualities of players required in Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Nowhere near as bad as the Owlstalk super experts say he is. Played under one of the worst coaches in our history. Fresh look under a capable coach. I'll trust Brucies judgement not the negative know it alls on here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 He was offered out on loan in January (back to Holland) wanted to stay and try and get place in team. He was not even being selected for 2nd team which I think shows level of ability. He lacks sense o self preservation and has virtually no reaction speed. Will always get injured due to this and very poor at tackling. Would be surprised if played for us again. He really struggled in final season in Holland and I would be shocked if we paid anyway near the figure quoted. they had been trying to flog him for 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dani_armo Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 He's tug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 A long time injured. He still needs time to adapt to English football. Unfortunately for him he’s had two big setbacks which will make it harder. It’s a case of cut our losses in my opinion. What I saw of him he was ok on the ball but very weak for a defender. Positional sense poor too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I have to seriously doubt the sanity of anyone who believes we paid anything remotely like £4m for JVA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31Dec1966 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I thought he looked OK at first. But then I thought Mark Beevers would captain England. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ash76 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 5 hours ago, parkfieldowl14 said: Did they try to sweep him under the carpet then regarding his injury ? A shame we can't try this with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Those saying he should be given a chance are smoking something pretty exotic. Within a few.minutes of his much lauded debut it was very clear he had huge issues with his defensive footwork. He cannot shift body momentum properly. I have never seen a centre back at this level with that big a problem. I will be amazed if he plays for us again. Will need to move to the usa or middle East to have a career . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 He's awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 5 hours ago, dorian gray said: F*** 'culture and pinging passes', give me a couple who defend like their lives are on the line, like mick lyons did. Like Palmer, Lees and Thorniley do, out and out defenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Carlos wanted someone in the back four comfortable on the ball and able to pick a pass out we searched 200+ central defenders and found VanAbdi. Yes the kid isn't bad on the ball. Yes he may be of use in a back 5. (something Carlos wouldn't do) Can he do the first job he needs to do DEFEND!!, I'm still unsure. He turns like an oil tanker. Has the agility of a brick. If Bruce can teach him some anticipation & awereness then I'd definitely give him another go, but only in the centre of a back 5 where his current weakness arnt going to be quite as exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendaryswan Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 JVA is just poor by anyones standards. Theres not a coach alive that will teach that kid to defend,because he simply hasnt got ANY of the tools needed. Hopefully we can find some dutch club mad enough to take him off our hands,or CC gets a job at a crap club in holland,otherwise hel be the new Abdi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Earlsfieldowl said: Probably some talent in there but has been managed poorly by both CC and JL. ..not the first to suffer here in this fashion and probably not the last, though I have some confidence Bruce will be able to buck the trend. how was he poorly managed by jos?...…..the bloke was out injured when jos arrived and when finally fit got injured in his second game back and never been seen again …... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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