gurujuan Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 How many players have graduated from the U23s, who didn’t come through the age groups? I can only think of Thorniley and Clare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieB Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 23 minutes ago, Hitcat said: I asked Hammoud why he was leaving. He just said Eyad enough. Best post in the universe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveger Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 7 hours ago, HootHoot said: We're moving fast. Hope that means room for some incomings. Wasn't Hammoud supposed to be the next big thing? Left to drive for D Taxis 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 7 hours ago, HootHoot said: We're moving fast. Hope that means room for some incomings. Wasn't Hammoud supposed to be the next big thing? I've no idea Sweetheart ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 The near-total lack of loan action for ANY of these lads who’ve never even been close to a sniff of the match day subs bench speaks volumes. The question is, about what - us over the past 3yrs, or them? I know which would surprise me least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i used to be sc_owl Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 I bumped into that SWFC youth player player who’s been released, Hammoud. I asked him why he was leaving. He said Eyad enough. He didn’t talk for long. He seemed to be in a bit of Hammoud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Rider Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 8 hours ago, room0035 said: This really does make playing Dan Wallis over Joe Wildsmith for most of the season in the under 23's seem an ever stranger decision. I do hope there is some master plan to bring players through as this is going to leave the development squad under strength and light on numbers. If we learnt anything from Jos the dross it was don't pick players before they are ready, the under 18's have done very well this year but for some the move up to the under 23's may be too soon. Perhaps we have a manager confident enough in his own ability to judge horse flesh, he thinks they will amount to nowt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etchesketch Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 13 hours ago, HirstWhoScoredIt said: We have signed 10 second year scholars on pro contracts. They are not eligible for the Under 18’s next year. They’ll all turn 19 next season. If they are not good enough for the under 23 League at 19 they are unlikely to ever be good enough for The Championship. Not signed 10. There was only 8. The 7 who have signed are Waldock, Render, Grant, O'Brien, Dawodu, Shaw and Rice. Hammoud released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etchesketch Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 On 08/05/2019 at 18:48, gurujuan said: How many players have graduated from the U23s, who didn’t come through the age groups? I can only think of Thorniley and Clare Baker-Cardiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Etchesketch said: Baker-Cardiff Dawson an Wildsmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etchesketch Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, bladeshater said: Dawson an Wildsmith ??They both came through the age groups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 On 08/05/2019 at 14:18, gurujuan said: So does that mean that West, Hughes and Brennan have been offered new contracts then? Is that a firm of Solicitors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 On 08/05/2019 at 14:29, gurujuan said: We have an obligation to fulfil our fixtures at U23 level, so need a squad of at least 16 players, and with only 8 promoted from the U18’s, we need to either retain some, or recruit from outside Do what most clubs do and promote players to older age groups. It's pretty normal for an u23 team to contain many u18 and even u16 players. We had an old u18 team last year with the amount of 2nd years regularly playing- it might have helped us win a bauble but not sure it has done much for player development And that's the reason for having an academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etchesketch Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, scram said: Do what most clubs do and promote players to older age groups. It's pretty normal for an u23 team to contain many u18 and even u16 players. We had an old u18 team last year with the amount of 2nd years regularly playing- it might have helped us win a bauble but not sure it has done much for player development And that's the reason for having an academy Good point. It may help winning trophies at Academy level but you would like to see the second years having had a lot more experience at U23 level. The likes of Dawodu, Rice, O'Brien have been deemed good enough for pro contracts but have barely played a game at U23 level yet. A certain other club in this area plays first year scholars regularly at U23 level and U16's regular at U18 level. We had too many young pros with no chance of the first team stopping U18s develop. The likes of Clarke and O'Grady were on the payroll but struggling to make the U23's despite being 3rd year professionals. The likes of these should have been out on loan to non league and the best U18s playing regular for the U23's. I don't think we get it right yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, scram said: Do what most clubs do and promote players to older age groups. It's pretty normal for an u23 team to contain many u18 and even u16 players. We had an old u18 team last year with the amount of 2nd years regularly playing- it might have helped us win a bauble but not sure it has done much for player development And that's the reason for having an academy True, and it looks as if the priority was chasing that trophy Think most watchers of the U23s knew that most of the squad would not be retained 2 or 3 months ago, and that there were probably better players in the U18s It’s difficult though, as season was coming to an end, and the group were in with an opportunity of winning something, would it have been fair to dismantle the side at such a crucial part of their season? I know that’s not the role of the academy, but I can see the dilemma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikowl Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2018/oct/11/next-generation-2018-60-of-the-best-young-talents-in-world-football Hammoud first made the headlines in 2016 when, at the age of 15 years and four months, he became the second-youngest player to feature in the Bulgarian top flight. Born to a Lebanese father and Bulgarian mother, he provided an assist on his debut for Lokomotiv Plovdiv in the derby against Botev. Before joining Sheffield Wednesday’s academy in 2017, Hammoud had trials with Arsenal and Stoke City. Pace and stamina - he offered to play in three games for three Lokomotiv youth teams in one day - are two key weapons. He adores Lionel Messi and once said that his Manchester United-supporting grandma is the reason he fell in love with football. Metodi Shumanov Watch Eyad Hammoud in action Makes the Hamoud one seem odd. Tapped up by Real Madrid? Edited May 10, 2019 by rikowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 12 hours ago, gurujuan said: True, and it looks as if the priority was chasing that trophy Think most watchers of the U23s knew that most of the squad would not be retained 2 or 3 months ago, and that there were probably better players in the U18s It’s difficult though, as season was coming to an end, and the group were in with an opportunity of winning something, would it have been fair to dismantle the side at such a crucial part of their season? I know that’s not the role of the academy, but I can see the dilemma I don't think it is a dilemma tbh Our u18's were an older group regularly going up against other teams who were younger - because those clubs promote their players to challenge and stress them (in the right way!) It's kinda the main reason that league tables in the academy were abolished below u18 level some years ago - some people argued it was anti-competitive but all i'd say is those people obviously don't watch academy football because that is far from the case. The reason to abolish the tables was to remove the onus from the result and allow it to be more focused on development. West ham got relegated from the top tier of Cat 1 at u23 level - but had 5 academy first team debuts this season (through choice not necessity) There are regionalised cup comptetitions starting to creep back in at younger age group levels I think there's a very strong argument to abolish u18 and u23 national leagues - play limited regionalsed and/or group games - with maybe a national weekend of tournament to round it off in say January - then organised league-style fixtures end and the clubs can design their own fixture list based on their own needs until the end of a more formal season I'd go even further tbh and abandon u23's - go back to 3 year scholarships with u17 and u19's - with the latter allowed up to 3 overage outfield and a GK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 On 08/05/2019 at 12:34, room0035 said: This really does make playing Dan Wallis over Joe Wildsmith for most of the season in the under 23's seem an ever stranger decision. I do hope there is some master plan to bring players through as this is going to leave the development squad under strength and light on numbers. If we learnt anything from Jos the dross it was don't pick players before they are ready, the under 18's have done very well this year but for some the move up to the under 23's may be too soon. Joe needed a loan move to Barnsley or one or the better league 1 sides last season, we had Wallis and mcCulloch ( sorry for spelling) as 2 keepers for the under 23s Joe needs to go out on loan and play games to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HirstWhoScoredIt Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 9 hours ago, shezzas left peg said: Joe needed a loan move to Barnsley or one or the better league 1 sides last season, we had Wallis and mcCulloch ( sorry for spelling) as 2 keepers for the under 23s Joe needs to go out on loan and play games to improve. He has done nothing to suggest he is good enough for League One, let alone one of the better clubs. Barnsley have a far better goalkeeper than Joe Wildsmith that was voted by his fellow professionals into the League One team of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 18 hours ago, rikowl said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2018/oct/11/next-generation-2018-60-of-the-best-young-talents-in-world-football Hammoud first made the headlines in 2016 when, at the age of 15 years and four months, he became the second-youngest player to feature in the Bulgarian top flight. Born to a Lebanese father and Bulgarian mother, he provided an assist on his debut for Lokomotiv Plovdiv in the derby against Botev. Before joining Sheffield Wednesday’s academy in 2017, Hammoud had trials with Arsenal and Stoke City. Pace and stamina - he offered to play in three games for three Lokomotiv youth teams in one day - are two key weapons. He adores Lionel Messi and once said that his Manchester United-supporting grandma is the reason he fell in love with football. Metodi Shumanov Watch Eyad Hammoud in action Makes the Hamoud one seem odd. Tapped up by Real Madrid? It was put forward by a Bulgarian journalist. Wouldn’t read to much into that article. Nevertheless, the few times I’ve seen Hammoud I really thought he was good. Does seem a strange one considering everyone else has been retained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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