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25 minutes ago, room0035 said:

 

 

I think you are missing my point currently we have crowds of 23,000 if we could get crowd of 28,000-30,000 each week turnover goes up for tickets, match day spend which includes programme, food, drink, merchandise etc.

 

If we could be exact with everything then that would be great but rough idea is all we have. The ticket gets someone into the stands then you get a lot of extra income that is difficult to quantify you could say a fan going for the first time taking their kid buys them a £60 shirt it might happen but I am not going to say half the 5,000 get shirts, then the kids have the full kit with socks, shorts etc because you cannot know if that will happen but I do not know a single fan that only spends on a ticket in the ground so to say there will not be other income is simple not true.

I don't spend anything at the ground other than the ticket and I'm not the only one. 

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41 minutes ago, room0035 said:

 

 

I think you are missing my point currently we have crowds of 23,000 if we could get crowd of 28,000-30,000 each week turnover goes up for tickets, match day spend which includes programme, food, drink, merchandise etc.

 

If we could be exact with everything then that would be great but rough idea is all we have. The ticket gets someone into the stands then you get a lot of extra income that is difficult to quantify you could say a fan going for the first time taking their kid buys them a £60 shirt it might happen but I am not going to say half the 5,000 get shirts, then the kids have the full kit with socks, shorts etc because you cannot know if that will happen but I do not know a single fan that only spends on a ticket in the ground so to say there will not be other income is simple not true.

And I think that you are missing my point that by making sweeping statements like "5000 extra per game at £30 is an extra £3.5m a season" you are skewing the argument by using completely inaccurate figures.

 

Yes, more tickets equals more revenue and nobody is arguing about that but it's not close to the kind of figures you have suggested.

 

Yes it's worth having and yes (some) will spend (some) money in the ground but the main reason match tickets should be cheaper is not because it generates any significant additional revenue but because at no cost to the club, higher attendances at lower prices make fans feel much more connected to the club rather than the current antipathy felt by many.

 

 

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Just been reading about Real Betis in Spain they charge 74 euros for an under 14 season ticket. The benefits they gain are fans for life, merchandise , food and drink and a full ground. This season they have 14000 junior season ticket holders. Surely it would be better for Wednesday to charge say £115 for a under 14 ticket. Would help us reap the same benefits as Betis and invest in the clubs future.

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23 hours ago, Ash76 said:

 

Exactly, simply put winning football matches is all that is needed

 

It’s not though is it. Winning matches goes a hell of a long way to improve attendances I’ll agree with that.

 

However the huge growth in football the last few years I feel we are really missing out. Instead of just a few thousand on the gate by either winning games and reducing prices we can be putting 5-10k on the gate by doing everything we can bring Sheffield Wednesday and football fans in general into the ground. 

 

I know you can’t just wave a magic wand and win games, but good pricing, winning games, student offers, better corporate promotions and more free children’s tickets would put much more on the gate instead of just going one thing.

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23 hours ago, Semedo's ferret said:

Your wrong. Look at the averages before Chansiri took control. Look at the averages during our last prem seasons from the late 90s. 23k is a decent average for a mid league team charging more than 90 percent of the footy league. 

 

The popularity of football has gone up so much. Data from the 90’s means very little nowadays imo. Even as recent as the last few years with sky and how much it’s rammed down everyone’s throat, combined with the national side doing well. It’s simplistic to think we are getting decent attendances based on our past f having had a below average team for 20 years.

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1 minute ago, jonesy87shef said:

 

The popularity of football has gone up so much. Data from the 90’s means very little nowadays imo. Even as recent as the last few years with sky and how much it’s rammed down everyone’s throat, combined with the national side doing well. It’s simplistic to think we are getting decent attendances based on our past f having had a below average team for 20 years.

 

Not to mention the population of the UK has increased 10 million since the early 90’s. 

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23 hours ago, Semedo's ferret said:

People's excuses for utds average been higher than ours is because they pay on average £8 a game more is embarrassing. £8 flipping quid. Less than 2 pint. Get a grip will ya. 

 

£8 is an hour or two’s wage for some people. Let’s not ‘get a grip’. Let’s instesd understand other people’s circumstances and priorities differ from your own.

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1 hour ago, flo said:

I don't spend anything at the ground other than the ticket and I'm not the only one. 

 

Same here, once I've paid for my st.  That's it.

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I've argued for 20 years and many times on here that we need imaginative and innovative marketing. Lots of good ideas posted in this thread and ,of course, success brings crowds, but it still has to be affordable. The club have painted themseves into a corner with long term deals, complicated structure and season tickets. However what sticks out a mile is we need the next generation, especially now they can go to BL and see Sterling and Kane etc. Pay on the day shoud only be about 15 % more than ST price, I wouldn't mind. And kids should range from Nothing for under 6's, £1 for 6-11, £3 for 11-18, and £8 for 18-21. 

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I resent been called a part time supporter!  In am a full time Wednesday fan who CANNOT afford to go to all the games! So please don't use the term "part time" in a derogatory, lnsulting way as many many hundreds of fans just cannot afford!  Simple as.....

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39 minutes ago, selbyowls said:

Next season it as to be cheaper than the lane.

I bet you a packet of Oreo cookies that it's not. For equivalent stands, ie North South and kop, our adult walk up prices will be more than theirs.

 

Just standard ones, not double stuffed or owt fancy by the way, just a classic pack. 

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42 minutes ago, selbyowls said:

Next season it as to be cheaper than the lane.

 

Its not though.

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On 28/04/2019 at 18:59, Sheffield1973 said:

Cut prices

Offer season ticket holders a free junior ticket up to 13 free

Give season ticket holders vouchers for match pies and beers

Fill the Away end bottom tier first

Fill the NE corner with flags and banners

Stop making us feel like we’re customers to be rinsed at every chance 

 

it’s not hard

 

 

Amazes me why we don't fill away end from bottom tier. We must be the only club that don't do this. Bolton springs to mind. They only open top tier if demand allows. Let's face it, only Blunts, Leeds and Villa fill that away end and there's every chance 2 out of those 3 won't be in Championship next season. I hate seeing the bottom tier empty and it creates a poor atmosphere. 

 

In terms of getting crowds back, like others have said, need some incentives - free kids tickets, discounts, vouchers and some success on the pitch wouldn't go amiss. I often wonder if there is anybody in the club capable of thinking of these ideas or if they do but they are told no. 

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Win, win, win and contend for promotion, with a brilliant footballing flair. Create the atmosphere that Hillsborough is crying out for. 

Take advantage of the imminent DCMS decision on safe standing, and get some installed to help create that atmosphere.

It's not just pricing, it's about the entertainment value, we've been too stagnant for far too long. Bruce is turning that matchday experience around with the players, we need to do the same on the stands. 

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14 minutes ago, Owl 44 said:

Amazes me why we don't fill away end from bottom tier. We must be the only club that don't do this. Bolton springs to mind. They only open top tier if demand allows. Let's face it, only Blunts, Leeds and Villa fill that away end and there's every chance 2 out of those 3 won't be in Championship next season. I hate seeing the bottom tier empty and it creates a poor atmosphere. 

 

In terms of getting crowds back, like others have said, need some incentives - free kids tickets, discounts, vouchers and some success on the pitch wouldn't go amiss. I often wonder if there is anybody in the club capable of thinking of these ideas or if they do but they are told no. 

Not only that....You get home, watch the "highlights" and when a goal goes in at that end..it looks absolutely crap...Its fine when you are on the Kop or wherever, cos of the stuff around you, but god on the telly it looks shocking!

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1 hour ago, selbyowls said:

Next season it as to be cheaper than the lane.

:Chansiri:

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11 hours ago, Geedee said:

I don't want to go to every game. I just do other things now at weekends. 

 

The point of my post was to agree with others that performances other than price is the main driver. 

 

Eg I wouldn't be interested in the match next Sunday for free, if we were challenging I would pay £40 for a North stand seat. 

 

However I can see why a 5 any match ticket at say £125 for the north stand would be attractive and would probably result in me going to a few more games. 

 

2 hours ago, latemodelchild said:

Ah right, I see. 

 

It really is all about having a successful team on the pitch. Win games and the crowds go up. OK we can have discounts and offers and freebies but nothing fills the ground like a winning team. And when the team's winning the current prices will be paid by thousands. 

 

I didnt say it was all about performances I said performances was the main driver. Of course price has an impact on everything in life for virtually all of us. 

 

But the one thing that will do more  to get more people to go next year is having something worth watching on the pitch that's no different at any football club. 

 

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Daft as it sounds Wednesday could well get more money in through the gate than United do, IF we are succesful next season!...Is that summat to be proud of?

No..Its a f.ooking disgrace, the whole pricing policy is a disgrace.

We had our chance and blew it in 2 seasons...United built carefully, indulged the fanbase and now make us look absolute mugs, they did it on a virtual shoe string by simply running the club properly.

We're all to blame to a certain extent..."Tally ho..Devil take the hindmost, the fans can come back when we are in the Prem and can set a decent pricing policy..The "Haves" will subsidise the "Have nots" until then..."We're All Wednesday aren't we?"...

Last chance saloon now...Steve Bruce..its the first positive sign for ages....and here we are ..strapped for cash, threatened by FFP, and what will happen...?

Get the fans behind the team with sensible prices, bearing in mind Man U tip up at The Lane and their fans are charged less than ours as Luton tip up at Hillsborough?

F.ook me!

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11 minutes ago, Geedee said:

 

 

I didnt say it was all about performances I said performances was the main driver. Of course price has an impact on everything in life for virtually all of us. 

 

But the one thing that will do more  to get more people to go next year is having something worth watching on the pitch that's no different at any football club. 

 

Produce next season what wilder has done this for the blunts and we will have unrivalled support, sorry for saying but he has done a 1st class job, hopefully 2nd class, come on Norwich.

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