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The missing thousands at Hillsborough

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3 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

 

Fast exciting attacking football
More players like Forestieri who the fans can love as personalities 

Top 6 football from as early as poss . (e.g. a great start instead of stumbling into the season)
A manager the fans can believe in (Steve Bruce)

 

Agree with everyone of these points:-

 

Fast attacking football

Gets fans talking, sharing highlights clips on social media and fans return as they're willing to pay extra if good football is on offer.

 

Players personalities/interaction with fans 

A massive factor I've taken my son who has recently turned 4 to his first games this season (Ipswich, Luton and Bristol City). Took him to the players entrance before games so he can identify with the players rather than them just being random blokes in the same shirt as his. The players who make an effort with the kids make a massive difference. He now daily wants to wear his kit and pretend to be Barry, Marco, Adam and Fernando. On this note the club has done some excellent pieces of work over the last couple of years which they deserve credit for but still more to do with engaging families. The WAWAW fun day over the last 2 days is a very good idea though the club are missing a trick I feel as many people only became aware of it after the event this year. For me these have been the events have been a major factor in him already at an early age defining himself as a Wedneday fan when other kids/ adults he knows indicate their preference towards United. 

 

With Fernando at the recent funday.........

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Still more to do though and although some people may not like conceding our cross city neighbours are doing a better job for families there is certainly more we can do. No harm in learning from a good initiative they've been awarded 'Most improved family experience'. We should be aiming for this and there is some learning to take from this I saw a friend share on Facebook https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2385862168112694&id=144083028957297&sfnsn=mo

The debut scheme for first time fans getting free tickets is something we should look into.

Also their family matchday space looks much better than ours. Of the games I took my son to I used the family stand for the first one against Ipswich back in September. For myself who is used to the Kop the main differences were the food/drink available and the quality of the toilet facilities. Though there was nothing specific for kids other than fifa in one of the rooms. No visit from the mascots and no access to the bottom of the South to sea them. Lots more to be done to ensure young fans have a great experience and bug their parents to take them back.

 

There is no getting away from the price being an issue too. If we looking to attract many of the floating fans back prices need to be reduced. This is the first year in about 15 I've not had a season ticket mostly to spend more time with family and also partly a financial decision.  Myself, my wife and son for the Bristol City game came in at £91. Yes we could've gone on the Kop but I didn't want him coming away with a new range of vocabulary. At such prices we won't entice people other than myself who has been going for years. Evidence being my dad heard myself, wife and son were going to the match and he fancied coming. My dad's a non member though went to the Arsenal game and Wembley, the exact example we want to get to the ground more regularly. Though he certainly wasn't coming to the game at £43 a ticket. 

 

 

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5 hours ago, room0035 said:

£30 is plenty for any seat in the brown but for most of the season floater fans have stayed away because the prices are too high.

 

His latest policy of crap half time offers and moneyless tills all this does is mean more people spend less on match day in the ground.

 

For me a complete rethink is needed from top to bottom

 

This is the highest fibre post I’ve ever seen on here

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Me and my son are coming to the end of an original 3 year ticket and have renewed for the next two.

My suggestion would be to charge POTG at the same rate as I'm paying per game plus say £1 or £2 both to cover admin and to make a season ticket have some value. I'd also give season ticket holders priority for cup tickets etc.

I don't know what that would cost but it would be a lot less than POTG is currently. Every extra person in the ground is extra revenue at little or no extra cost. No brainer, problem solved, I thank you, I thank you.

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Not been a full-time attending supporter since the Dave Jones league one promotion season. That was the last season I had a season ticket and would get myself to nearly every away game, often driving to the games on my own.

 

Ever since then I've very much been cherry picking what games I get to. I would love to commit to a season ticket but a different job meant working in the week and I didn't want to miss out on the night games.

 

It's a lot more expensive since then and being a tight Yorkshire get means I often just don't bother any more. Quite sad really.

 

If there was a monthly package I'd definitely look at that as an option that might motivate me to get to the ground more. Make it so you can pre-load a season ticket card with games. That has some appeal most definitely.

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Just looked it up. Kop ST for adult is £505 which is £21.95 per game for 23 games. So how about POTG of £24 on Kop for an Adult?

The adult Kop price Vs QPR for non members is £33

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3 minutes ago, Rev Owl said:

Just looked it up. Kop ST for adult is £505 which is £21.95 per game for 23 games. So how about POTG of £24 on Kop for an Adult?

The adult Kop price Vs QPR for non members is £33

Makes complete sense for the floating fans and for next season.

 

I imagine in doing so we may lose some revenue though at the moment with so many disengaged we risk losing a lot of people long term. Football is a habit once people break the cycle for a season or two and find other things to do on Saturday it gets very hard to attract people back. 

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ST gets you 23 games a season, plus priority for games not covered. That priority is actually a big selling point IF your team is genuinely competitive.

 

Indeed, I believe it’s a far bigger selling point than £ per game. I believe very few ST holders are gonna chuck toys if their ‘saving’ over POTG prices drops, so long as the price they’re actually paying themselves doesn’t go up. (And frankly, any ST holder who gets mardy because their saving over non-ST holders goes down is a bit of a tool. Buy what YOU want and ignore the rest. More people attending is unequivocally good, whatever we’ve each paid.)

 

Make STs average out to £20 per game, make POTG prices £25 everywhere, and keep the priority system for fans willing/able to commit to a ST. *That’s* the big selling point IMO, there’s no sense in trying to price POTG so outrageously that everyone has to either buy a ST or feel totally mugged off.

 

Those that can afford it and can commit will do - those that can’t should be given every incentive possible to come support the club when they can, and not be treated like they owe the rest of us an insane penalty fee for their lack of loyalty. It’s criminal. And I say this very willingly as an ST holder.

 

Needs sorting and fast, second half of this season has been utterly thrilling but the atmosphere has been terrible, let’s be honest.

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6 hours ago, owl-zat said:

How do we get the missing thousands of fans back to Hillsborough who have dropped off over the last 20 years for various reasons i.e relegation from Premier League, club on its knees financially and not being competitive and now high pay on the gate prices

 

What missing thousands who have dropped off over the last 20 years?

 

Our average gates for the last 3 seasons have been the highest they've been in the last 20 years. Before that they were higher due to being in the PL.

 

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1 hour ago, LSOwls said:

We have a core of 24kish and a lot more who are passive (hence Wembley etc...)

 

Serious question

 

How many do you think we'd get if it was £10 a game? How many for £20 a game?

 

Forest have averaged over 28k this season with sensible pricing.

 

I think we’d be something similar if we had the same pricing as them.

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There could be a floating number that are in their early teens that have been swaying towards the dark side due to their success in the last 2 years.  

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Put simply there are no missing thousands over the last twenty years. Last 3 games of 98-99 season we had 70K through the gates. 99-2000 season it was 72K. I make that an average of 23K ish.

 

One more reactionary mardy arse miffed because the Blades are promoted. The Game is cyclical. Stop making stuff up !  

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The pay on the day price needs to be reduced. Make it 4 quid more than the average season ticket price for each stand. 1 price, 1 category. Call every game a category A game because Wednesday are in town for that game. 

 

Kids prices need to come down, and I'm talking kids up to the age of 18. My lad is 12 and it's 155 quid for him on the north. We don't want to go in the family stand cos the atmosphere is rubbish, his words not mine. Had a major battle with Mrs LMC over renewal for next season. Make it 50 quid for a season ticket for U18 when purchased with a full price adult. Fiver for U18 POTD when bought from ticket office, id required if it looks like they're trying on the pig trick. 1 turnstile per stand for POTD juniors so any queries don't hold everyone up. 

 

If the will was there from the club the above could be done and would see an upturn in attendances. 

 

Alternatively leave it as it is, win enough games to see us promoted and see a bigger upturn even at eye watering prices. 

 

Results affect crowds. Success affects crowds. Price becomes less of a barrier to a lot of people when the team is winning. Not all fans are like this before anyone starts posting their personal circumstances to justify why they don't go. 

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I normally see Wednesday, home and away up to  about 6 times a season. 

 

I go to big or unusual games at Hillsborough and try and  get away tickets when I can. I am a longstanding club member. 

 

So a fairly typical infrequent but regular fan. 

 

There are two ways to get me to more home matches 

 

1) Challenge for promotion (obviously), I don't see any point in going to the 'friendly' against qpr next weekend. 

 

2) Offer a 5  any match ticket that gives me a cash  incentive to buy  5 matches up front regardless of how Wednesday are playing. 

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8 hours ago, Owls2k said:

Our crowds in the back end of the Prem years were horrendous, people seem to forget that.

 

 

 

That's correct. Top of Premier league having won 4 games on bounce and only 17,000 turned up v Leicester.

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5 minutes ago, Geedee said:

I normally see Wednesday, home and away up to  about 6 times a season. 

 

I go to big or unusual games at Hillsborough and try and  get away tickets when I can. I am a longstanding club member. 

 

So a fairly typical infrequent but regular fan. 

 

There are two ways to get me to more home matches 

 

1) Challenge for promotion (obviously), I don't see any point in going to the 'friendly' against qpr next weekend. 

 

2) Offer a 5  any match ticket that gives me a cash  incentive to buy  5 matches up front regardless of how Wednesday are playing. 

So is it the price that is stopping or dissuading you from attending every home game as a pay on the day fan? Or is it the opposition? Or is it the fact that we are mid table? 

 

Would all 3 of those things above have to change for you to come back for every game? 

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7 hours ago, nilsson said:

 

Forest have averaged over 28k this season with sensible pricing.

 

I think we’d be something similar if we had the same pricing as them.

 

Nottingham is a big city with only one football league club.... well they will have after next weekend. :Sid:

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It’s that simple , stop ripping people off . For most game show this season it’s been season ticket holders only , judging by the crowd figures . Doesn’t take a genius to point out that isn’t smart. 

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14 minutes ago, bradowl said:

 

Nottingham is a big city with only one football league club.... well they will have after next weekend. :Sid:

The irony of that statement though ......

This is what it can come to...

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14 hours ago, owl-zat said:

How do we get the missing thousands of fans back to Hillsborough who have dropped off over the last 20 years for various reasons i.e relegation from Premier League, club on its knees financially and not being competitive and now high pay on the gate prices.

 

Our attendances have been stuck around 22,000 to 23,000 the past 2 or 3 years only increasing slightly if when we’ve been doing well or attractive opposition mainly because fans have been picking and choosing their games rather than religiously turning up week after week.

 

The club can’t radically change its pricing structure because fans have purchased up to 5 year season tickets but . . . . .

 

What would people think about a monthly season ticket?

 

Looking at the price of season tickets on sale at the moment an adult is paying the following per game :-

 

Kop £21.96

 

North & Grandstand :-  £26.74

 

South Stand :-£30.65

 

Fans have many reasons why they can’t/won’t buy a season ticket from work commitments, financial reasons e.t.c. e.t.c

 

When the fixtures come out in June and we have for example 3 home games in August, people could sign up for a month ticket at say £25 per match on the Kop so £75 in total for which they’d be sent 3 match day tickets for the month.

 

September we may have 2 games so that’d be £50

 

People maybe don’t want to commit to £505 to £705 for an adult season ticket but might be prepared to commit to £50-£75 a month (just checking this seasons fixtures the most home league games in a month was 3) people don’t have to commit one month if they have work commitments / holidays planned / social arrangements preventing them going to a game e.t.c e.t.c

 

Hopefully next season we’ll be fighting for those automatic promotion places but the ground won’t fill up week on week paying £33 to £39 on the Kop or up to £49 on the South Stand

We only attract big crowds when we are successful. Don’t believe the hype, at both ends of the city. 

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Think people are looking at it the wrong way around.

 

I'd like to see better season ticket / membership offers, family packages, more incentives to buy one 9like a home shirt for half price etc.). 

 

Most teams who have good attendances rely on a very high sales rate of season tickets. 

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