dorian gray Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 4 hours ago, room0035 said: Another wonder kid who is that amazing has made no first team appearances for a team fighting relegation in the Scottish top flight after just 6 wins and 25 goals in 34 games. For me if you had a great young striker he would have been given a chance. from that you'd imagine he was a long way off first team football down here. if he wants first team football (and he ought to) then staying there should give him the best opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, dorian gray said: from that you'd imagine he was a long way off first team football down here. if he wants first team football (and he ought to) then staying there should give him the best opportunity. Why should he ought to want first team football? He's an 18 year old still learning his way. Few years in u23 does no one no harm with a couple of appearances here and there. Gotta walk before you can run, so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Just now, Birley Owl 1867 said: Why should he ought to want first team football? He's an 18 year old still learning his way. Few years in u23 does no one no harm with a couple of appearances here and there. Gotta walk before you can run, so to speak. at 18 any player should be wanting first team football, anything less and his 'desire' should be brought into question. rooney would be one of the best players in the england side at that age, gerrard wasn't far off too. the lad looks slightly built, and thus maybe a 'late developer', but nevertheless should want that first Xl shirt on his back, especially so if they are a shyte first Xl as it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Sonny said: So you are currenrly under the impression that we are weighing up a deal to buy Dundee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookieisdown Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 No idea if this true and if true good/bad/neither. But absolute shout out to classic journalese recalling happier times. "The struggling Taysiders" is good but "the rangy marksman" is simply a classic. Pure old school. If the writer doesn't wear a pork pie hat and a creased trench coat, he should damn well start today 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, dorian gray said: at 18 any player should be wanting first team football, anything less and his 'desire' should be brought into question. rooney would be one of the best players in the england side at that age, gerrard wasn't far off too. the lad looks slightly built, and thus maybe a 'late developer', but nevertheless should want that first Xl shirt on his back, especially so if they are a shyte first Xl as it seems. Rooney is part of the exception, how many players are ready made for the top league at 18? 18 year olds shouldn't be expecting first team footy, that's just rounduns. Rooney, Owen, Lampard, Mbappe. After that who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cognacbarnowl Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Buxtongent said: In my rather extended time watching the Owls, I remember a number of virtually unknown players we've brought down from Scotland, who have turned out to be S6 Favourites two names which appear instantly being Craig and McCalliog. But we bought Jimmy Mac from Chelsea, and Tommy Craig wasn't exactly cheap as we paid what was then a record fee for a teenager. Neither of them unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 7 hours ago, billyblack said: Sounds good to me. Could turn out well. At least hes not 30 with two broken legs ...yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 hour ago, cognacbarnowl said: But we bought Jimmy Mac from Chelsea, and Tommy Craig wasn't exactly cheap as we paid what was then a record fee for a teenager. Neither of them unknown. Hey you'se paaal Dinna bese ser cheeekie hen Shows youse elders some respect 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dukeries Owl Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Rooney is part of the exception, how many players are ready made for the top league at 18? 18 year olds shouldn't be expecting first team footy, that's just rounduns. Rooney, Owen, Lampard, Mbappe. After that who? Take a walk on the Whiteside 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie melua Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, room0035 said: Another wonder kid who is that amazing has made no first team appearances for a team fighting relegation in the Scottish top flight after just 6 wins and 25 goals in 34 games. For me if you had a great young striker he would have been given a chance. Whilst I agree with your point, there is also the argument that if you put a kid into a side with zero confidence and heading towards relegation, is that a good idea? Would it not be better to wait and then use him for next season? We're a classic example of this. We threw the likes of Haslam, Bromby, Quinn and Beevers into a side consistenly losing and with zero confidence. They were highly rated in the youth academy and even in their first few matches had premiership clubs taking a look (Chelsea with Bromby, Spurs with Quinn and Beevers, Leicester with Haslam) - safe to say their careers completely nose dived with us due to our form. Not forgetting Beevers was part of the "20 million pound" defence we once had Edited April 25, 2019 by katie melua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCOWL Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 9 hours ago, Lord Snooty said: Young players with potential on reasonable wages. Seems a better way to 'gamble' than spending money on aging players on massive wages. No bothered where they are from as long as the manager wants them and he can get a tune from them. And you speak Scottish! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 hour ago, NYCOWL said: And you speak Scottish! Of course he does NY !! @Lord Snooty is a native of Dundee ... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhopping Owl Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 It's a very low risk deal, it's the ones like this that make me think we're heading in the right direction. Dundee's first team are unutterably sh*te, I've seen them a few times this season, but their youth setup is pretty good, as is Celtic's where he was originally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 hours ago, katie melua said: Whilst I agree with your point, there is also the argument that if you put a kid into a side with zero confidence and heading towards relegation, is that a good idea? Would it not be better to wait and then use him for next season? We're a classic example of this. We threw the likes of Haslam, Bromby, Quinn and Beevers into a side consistenly losing and with zero confidence. They were highly rated in the youth academy and even in their first few matches had premiership clubs taking a look (Chelsea with Bromby, Spurs with Quinn and Beevers, Leicester with Haslam) - safe to say their careers completely nose dived with us due to our form. Not forgetting Beevers was part of the "20 million pound" defence we once had If they’d have been good enough our form at the time would have turned out to be irrelevant, and I’m sure they’d have gone on to play at the highest level... but unfortunately none of them were very good, Quinn’s level was about the championship, same for Bromby and the others not even that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 3 hours ago, OWLERTON GHOST said: Hey you'se paaal Dinna bese ser cheeekie hen Shows youse elders some respect You missed out Ya wee shwine that y'ar! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 6 hours ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Rooney is part of the exception, how many players are ready made for the top league at 18? 18 year olds shouldn't be expecting first team footy, that's just rounduns. Rooney, Owen, Lampard, Mbappe. After that who? Clive Allen, Giggs, Scholes, Fowler, McMannaman, our own DEH. There's been plenty who were ready for it before age 20, also plenty more who weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 SWFC and Scottish players = disaster. Can't remember many good players (or successes) over the past 40 years. Steve Maclean, Andy Blair, are the standout against the Gary Teales, Donnelly, O'Donnell, Stevie May, Maurice Ross, David Graham, Mark Reynolds, Paul Heffernan, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, Rogers said: SWFC and Scottish players = disaster. Can't remember many good players (or successes) over the past 40 years. Steve Maclean, Andy Blair, are the standout against the Gary Teales, Donnelly, O'Donnell, Stevie May, Maurice Ross, David Graham, Mark Reynolds, Paul Heffernan, etc. Bannan and Fletcher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: Bannan and Fletcher? I'll give you those two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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