Colin Dobson Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Yes I believe it does apply to next season NOT this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Minton said: They've had an embargo this season and broke it, hence the 9 point deduction. Next season they will start with an embargo as well if their finances submitted this season show they are in breach again. Which will be the case. Where is this from? Stuff I read at lunch indicated that Birmingham have now been punished and can't be punished further relating to this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Rebook the hotel rooms lads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Colin Dobson said: Yes I believe it does apply to next season NOT this. And what use is that if we, Derby or Villa go up this season? The point of a March submission is to punish those who are about the break the rules and therefore have time to enforce the punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, Colin Dobson said: Yes I believe it does apply to next season NOT this. Birmingham had 7 deduction for breaking them and 3 for ignoring the problem with one less for good behaviour (Which is laughable) So if that was case we'd likely be down 6. However, it just smacks of media putting two and two together and no concrete evidence to suggest it would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: Where is this from? Stuff I read at lunch indicated that Birmingham have now been punished and can't be punished further relating to this matter. For the period 15-18 they can't. But they can for period 16-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: Where is this from? Stuff I read at lunch indicated that Birmingham have now been punished and can't be punished further relating to this matter. The P&S that they have failed is based on 3 year rolling accounts. Y1 - 2016 Y2 - 2017 Y3 - 2018 They have failed this, they have been deducted points. The matter is now closed. Next year is a new matter, the P&S will be based on; Y2 - 2017 Y3 - 2018 Y4 - 2019 Seeing as they lost over £39m in 2017 alone, they will more than likely be in breach on the P&S once their accounts have been submitted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: For the period 15-18 they can't. But they can for period 16-19. So they can get punished three times for the same "financial year" just because it rolls over? Birmingham could release all their players and play people off the street and they'd still be in danger of breaking the rules again for 16-19 because of what they spent in the last 2 seasons. What are Birmingham expected to do, close the gates for a season? Laughable if this is the case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrowbyOwl Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Colin Dobson said: Yes I believe it does apply to next season NOT this. What? - you mean they decided to dock points from Brum with immediate effect but next season for us, Villa and Frank Lampard's Derby Can't see that being right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Birmingham are at home to Derby in fixture 43. This might help us. Brim were in no danger of top six or relegation. They will probably still need points for safety when they host Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys Salopettes Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 24.It is clear from Mr Ren’s evidence and the documents that the Club knew that in entering into the transfer contracts it was running the risk that registration would be refused for the reason which had been given in the email of 2 May. It had been unable to make the forecasted player sales profits of £8.3 million, although it continued to assure the EFL that it would do so. Those profits were highly material to the P&S calculation which had been submitted on 29 March. It was on 10 July that the Club submitted a revised forecast from which it became clear that the aggregated loss would exceed the aggregate threshold in 2017/18 by at least £7 million. 37.The Commission is not persuaded that the signing of Pedersen was actually a breach of the applicable rule and this conduct will not be treated as an aggravating factor in this case. However the EFL was correct to state in its letter dated 1 August that the Club’s conduct had not fully embraced the objectives of the P&S Rules. It is evident from the correspondence that the officials of the EFL had been extremely helpful in providing clear guidance as to the effect of the rules on the Club’s finances and transactions, and it is regrettable that the Club did not consult the EFL before signing contracts and proceeded despite the increasingly obvious fact that the Club would fail to keep its expenditure below the permissible limits in the period ending 30 June 2018. The EFL is entitled to assume that a Club will fully comply with any notice given under the rules, but to avoid any lack of clarity in future cases it would be desirable for notice of a decision to refuse registration of players until a club has complied with certain conditions to clearly identify the relevant rule and the effect of the decision. ===== Whilst strangely stating the signing of Pedersen will not be treated as an aggravating factor, it clearly has, because it screwed they’re forecasts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Minton said: The P&S that they have failed is based on 3 year rolling accounts. Y1 - 2016 Y2 - 2017 Y3 - 2018 They have failed this, they have been deducted points. The matter is now closed. Next year is a new matter, the P&S will be based on; Y2 - 2017 Y3 - 2018 Y4 - 2019 Seeing as they lost over £39m in 2017 alone, they will more than likely be in breach on the P&S once their accounts have been submitted Just replied to Birley Owl, who said the same thing mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, oh_weds_we_love_you said: So they can get punished three times for the same "financial year" just because it rolls over? Birmingham could release all their players and play people off the street and they'd still be in danger of breaking the rules again for 16-19 because of what they spent in the last 2 seasons. What are Birmingham expected to do, close the gates for a season? Laughable if this is the case! They're expected to not breach P&S. The whole point is to make it sustainable year after year, rather than spunking money for 2 years to chance promotion and then sucking up an embargo in year 3 and then resetting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: So they can get punished three times for the same "financial year" just because it rolls over? Birmingham could release all their players and play people off the street and they'd still be in danger of breaking the rules again for 16-19 because of what they spent in the last 2 seasons. What are Birmingham expected to do, close the gates for a season? Laughable if this is the case! Of course they can as those are the rules. How is it laughable? Don't wanna be punished don't break the rules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Newsome Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 What a load of throw, let's take the 9 points now and we can spend whatever we want again in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, Not Jon Newsome said: What a load of throw, let's take the 9 points now and we can spend whatever we want again in the summer. oh deary me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, Not Jon Newsome said: What a load of throw, let's take the 9 points now and we can spend whatever we want again in the summer. No, we can't. Neither can Birmingham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Minton said: They're expected to not breach P&S. The whole point is to make it sustainable year after year, rather than spunking money for 2 years to chance promotion and then sucking up an embargo in year 3 and then resetting. But it happens, and is going to happen to half of this division soon enough. If the same club is going to receive punishment rolled over for basically the same expenditure from the seasons before, then P&S is even more of a joke that I expected. The League will end up with a dozen clubs going through this circle for years. Pointless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: And what use is that if we, Derby or Villa go up this season? The point of a March submission is to punish those who are about the break the rules and therefore have time to enforce the punishment. In a nutshell. There’s every chance that one of us, Derby or Villa will go up via the play-offs and given Bruce’s track record in this regard, I think it will be more than likely be us who will go up and in true Wednesday fashion get well and truly shafted by the authorities? Edited March 22, 2019 by Great Big Galaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 9 points 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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