Brommers Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 We're very quick to write people off. Lets see how he looks in a team playing well and for a manager who has a clue once he's over his injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miffed Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 43 minutes ago, ZicoSterland2 said: Something did happen to him he got Jos as his manager. Ruined the confidence of half the squad. Even Lees lost the plot. Agree with that mate. Lees seemed to lose the plot when he had kids all around him and a keeper that he didnt fully trust. Now he is surrounded by more competent and more experienced players his own confidence has returned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sethman75 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Maybe Bruce can give him a few pointers on what it takes to be a top defender when he comes back. Lord knows he could use some advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Who is he? Could he do a job for us? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Brommers said: We're very quick to write people off. Lets see how he looks in a team playing well and for a manager who has a clue once he's over his injury. You mean His latest injury, for a lad in his early twenties he's hardly kicked a ball in the. 2 years almost since he signed. You usually find center backs are quite robust and built out of sterner stuff, but I think they built VanAkren out of the left over sticky back plastic and loo rolls from abdi. Dr Delphonstien needs to hand his blue peter badge back Edited March 20, 2019 by shezzas left peg 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 another abdi im afraid ,im not surprised that he is always injured , he must have the skinniest legs for a footballer ive ever seen I was shocked when I saw him last april . he wont be going anywhere another 4 million wasted and im sure he is on decent wages. this club is paying the price for a total abject of a manager called carlos and the pathetic agents who fetched in these waste of spaces. luckily we have steve bruce who wont get conned and has contacts everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Played like he needed a full body transplant rather than simply ankle surgery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Owls Loyal said: I was surprised by Hack-abusi's comment about Van Aken: Could be a decent player under Bruce .. seems more composed on the ball and with passing then Hector. Just needs to beef up a bit and be a bit more aggressive and physical. The basic problem with Van AKen is that he cannot defend. He is slow, one footed and physically weak. Way back I advocated a loan to a League 2 or National League club to help him learn about defending. This 100%. I'd add his turning circle is wider than an oil tanker. A bouncing ball seems to paralyze him. On the up side he can pass and he looks good in shorts. In terms of 'what were they thinking' our worst ever big ish signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Dutch McLovin said: I think he could be a useful defensive midfielder. Good on the ball, has a presence and ISNT the last line of defence. Marty Hopkirk got more presence than JVA 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Rider Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Could it be different under a manager who knows how to play his role inside out? Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dani_armo Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Let's be honest he's shocking. The young lads we've played have been better. Terrible signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfield Owl Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 13 hours ago, Peacenocchio said: This 100%. I'd add his turning circle is wider than an oil tanker. A bouncing ball seems to paralyze him. On the up side he can pass and he looks good in shorts. In terms of 'what were they thinking' our worst ever big ish signing. 15 appearances in 2 seasons for JVA is quite concerning. It’s also a small sample size to judge a player’s quality on. JVA was clearly signed with the intention of being Loovens’ replacement. His only real consistent spell in the team, in autumn 2017, left a lot to be desired. But in fairness, the whole club was a bit of a mess at that time; hangover from 2 failed playoff attempts, Carlos waiving £20 notes around in press conferences, players dropping like flies because of injuries. JVA hardly featured under Luhukay. And our defence was always sh*t under Jos regardless of who was in the team. In terms of value for money, I’d say JVA has been nowhere near as much a disaster of a signing for us, as the likes of Rhodes, Abdi, Jones, Matias, Urby Emmanuelson. And that’s just the Chansiri era. But you think he’s our worst ever signing? Okay.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, The Captain said: 15 appearances in 2 seasons for JVA is quite concerning. It’s also a small sample size to judge a player’s quality on. JVA was clearly signed with the intention of being Loovens’ replacement. His only real consistent spell in the team, in autumn 2017, left a lot to be desired. But in fairness, the whole club was a bit of a mess at that time; hangover from 2 failed playoff attempts, Carlos waiving £20 notes around in press conferences, players dropping like flies because of injuries. JVA hardly featured under Luhukay. And our defence was always sh*t under Jos regardless of who was in the team. In terms of value for money, I’d say JVA has been nowhere near as much a disaster of a signing for us, as the likes of Rhodes, Abdi, Jones, Matias, Urby Emmanuelson. And that’s just the Chansiri era. But you think he’s our worst ever signing? Okay.. Hmmmm...some fair points but I very clearly did not say worst signing ever because he isn't. I said worst in terms of what were they thinking and also qualified it by saying big ish. Let's say over 1m for sale of argument. And let's be fair all of the players you mention had proven themselves at a decent level so it's more understandable why we bought or acquired them. Sometimes it doesn't work out but you can see the thinking. I'd like to know who watched JVA and said here's a 3m player let's buy him. His faults are numerous and obvious. Maybe he can overcome them eventually but he was never going to be ready for Championship. Maybe we thought we were buying the next Virgil Van Dyke rather than a player with the mobility of Virgil Tracy with a broken string. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Meadows Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 shame he turned out to be vvank as he has a decent song 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_Owl Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Great at playing 40 yard passes. Not very good at anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfield Owl Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Peacenocchio said: Hmmmm...some fair points but I very clearly did not say worst signing ever because he isn't. I said worst in terms of what were they thinking and also qualified it by saying big ish. Let's say over 1m for sale of argument. And let's be fair all of the players you mention had proven themselves at a decent level so it's more understandable why we bought or acquired them. Sometimes it doesn't work out but you can see the thinking. I'd like to know who watched JVA and said here's a 3m player let's buy him. His faults are numerous and obvious. Maybe he can overcome them eventually but he was never going to be ready for Championship. Maybe we thought we were buying the next Virgil Van Dyke rather than a player with the mobility of Virgil Tracy with a broken string. You can’t really say if a player should be considered a ‘big’ signing or not just based on the transfer figure alone. The JVA transfer was a left-field gamble that hasn’t worked out so far. We really needed a decent CB replacement for Loovens that summer too; which we obviously didn’t get in JVA. And on transfer fee vs JVA’s performances for us so far, it does seem like a total mismatch. The thing is though, I can see what the club saw in the lad; young-ish, ball-playing defender with international caps. And although JVA’s limitations are a concern, plenty of ‘limited’ defenders have had good careers in the English game. Our own manager did for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 To think Carlos said he'd looked at 200 defenders before signing VA, just can't believe at least 190 of them weren't better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUMBELOWS91 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 I reckon.every time he gets close to fitness Tom Lees goes and kicks him. Hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 If Bruce can't make a centre half of him then there's not much hope for the lad. Let's see what the gaffer can do with him.* *If he's ever fit for selection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Our most bizarre signing ever. A book will be written about it one day. from the first 5 minutes of his debut it was crystal clear there was a major problem with him (check his debut thread ) which must have come up through scouting. We signed him anyway. His feet are all over the place. He constantly drives from the wrong foot. I have never seen a player even in league football as bad as he is on this. he can probably do ok in the Dubai or Qatar league where we should look to sell him to if he ever gets fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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