torres Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: I can see the logic in what you're saying; I'm just not sure it works that way in reality. I'd imagine a lot of season ticket holders started off as pay on the day fans who tagged along with family or friends, then started going more regularly and it snowballed from there. With our current pricing structure, we're almost cutting off that route into supporting our club entirely. We'll just have to wait and see how things play out in the coming decades, I suppose. In reality it will probably be what it always has been - a hard core of 15-20k Then the rest will turn up depending on league position or occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: Long term I suspect Mr Chansiri is expecting us to be a Premier League club, therefore we won't have such a problem as the stadium will sell out every week (and the club won't really need gate receipt money). Not a plan I'd risk to be honest. I think that was the plan at the start - with some logic behind it. Now it's just a tangled mess with not much room for adjustment 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, torres said: I think that was the plan at the start - with some logic behind it. Now it's just a tangled mess with not much room for adjustment And there lies our problem mate, we're so far down this route that the club doesn't really have much angle to make changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie snerklebox Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Putting aside the ethics of 'fleecing' our supporters, it's a fairly short-sighted business plan, isn't it? The season ticket holders get a great deal for now, but those who either can't or don't want to commit to one are pushed further and further away from the club they support, meaning that our chances of attracting new season ticket holders dwindles with every passing year. Once the chairman is left with a hardcore group of ageing season ticket holders and little else, he'll only have one place to turn should he want to continue 'fleecing' our fans... Due to other commitments in August, September, and April I'm only going for a membership next season. Hopefully the memberships are pegged at £50 with a nice discount on match tickets attached. It'll be nice not having to cough up nearly £500 up front for the ST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyowl Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 There's a £26 difference in price between sitting in South Stand tomorrow & sitting in that same seat 6 days later... summit not reyt there! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat blondeau Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, torres said: In reality it will probably be what it always has been - a hard core of 15-20k Then the rest will turn up depending on league position or occasion. Shouldn’t the club be making an effort to get new fans through the door though instead of just pricing them out and saying we’ve a hard core of 15-20k? Our gates this year are on a par with Middlesbrough, lower than Stoke and comfortably below Derby, Forest, Norwich and the pigs. Historically I’d have said we’re bigger than most of those clubs but we’re not anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, stevie snerklebox said: Due to other commitments in August, September, and April I'm only going for a membership next season. Hopefully the memberships are pegged at £50 with a nice discount on match tickets attached. It'll be nice not having to cough up nearly £500 up front for the ST. I've had a membership for the past few seasons, as I just can't make the vast majority of evening games. The special offer games are good value as long as you can attend them, but the saving of a fiver per game means that you need to attend eleven games to actually start saving any money otherwise. We probably break even on our memberships each year, but it's the only option available for fans like us to buy into something which ties you to the club a little bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 hours ago, torres said: So we got 22k before and we get 22k now. The positive now is that the club have 20k season ticket holders money upfront - isn't that a better model? If STs are a lot cheaper than POTG and the gates are the same it means we get cash up front as a lump sum but less of it. Which is best largely depends on what that cash up front allows us to do that waiting for POTG doesn't. We have the 9th highest average in the division currently - a couple of thousand below United. I suppose that's not bad considering how we've played but it's not brilliant. If the strategy is to shift the balance towards STs I think that will only work if the club can generate enough motivation for people to shell out the not inconsiderable sums it costs to buy STs. Above all that means challenging for promotion. Don't do that and you have a double whammy as ST numbers fall and the ridiculous prices choke off POTG. Hopefully Bruce can generate optimism for next season and crowds hold up/rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, nilsson said: Shouldn’t the club be making an effort to get new fans through the door though instead of just pricing them out and saying we’ve a hard core of 15-20k? Our gates this year are on a par with Middlesbrough, lower than Stoke and comfortably below Derby, Forest, Norwich and the pigs. Historically I’d have said we’re bigger than most of those clubs but we’re not anymore Yes of course they should - a chairman with half a brain would get more in the ground. We haven't got one currently 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 As a season ticket holder I wouldn't be adverse to the chairman changing his policy on pricing even if it wasn't beneficial to me. I am not sure all season ticket holders share the view tho. I bought a three year season ticket when the option first came up, simply because this appealed to me, after I had done this I saw the POTG prices and was glad I did. I then bought another one last year when the five year option was available (I couldn't afford the five otherwise I would have done that) but this was more that I knew they weren't gonna get any cheaper. Now as others have said the club cant really change this as they have so many people all over with tickets but were they to do so and people on multi year season tickets were the ones to lose out then I would obviously be aggrieved but if it was done within the best interests of the fan base I would agree. Anyone else in a similar situation to mine have a different view ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, nilsson said: Shouldn’t the club be making an effort to get new fans through the door though instead of just pricing them out and saying we’ve a hard core of 15-20k? Our gates this year are on a par with Middlesbrough, lower than Stoke and comfortably below Derby, Forest, Norwich and the pigs. Historically I’d have said we’re bigger than most of those clubs but we’re not anymore Forest extend their youth category up to 23 and charge £14. That's a great way to get the young fans engaged. I really don't get DC's approach, and when you consider how big our FFP deficit is then it just seems pretty senseless. Unless we get in the PL then DC's actions are going to slowly chip away at our support. Each home game we have 10,000 empty seats in the home end. What is the point of doing fizz all to get them filled? Edited February 25, 2019 by owls maniac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said: As a season ticket holder I wouldn't be adverse to the chairman changing his policy on pricing even if it wasn't beneficial to me. I am not sure all season ticket holders share the view tho. I bought a three year season ticket when the option first came up, simply because this appealed to me, after I had done this I saw the POTG prices and was glad I did. I then bought another one last year when the five year option was available (I couldn't afford the five otherwise I would have done that) but this was more that I knew they weren't gonna get any cheaper. Now as others have said the club cant really change this as they have so many people all over with tickets but were they to do so and people on multi year season tickets were the ones to lose out then I would obviously be aggrieved but if it was done within the best interests of the fan base I would agree. Anyone else in a similar situation to mine have a different view ? I am in exactly the same position but would happily be given a refund and start all over again for the good of the club moving forward. The trouble is the club has got so many ''offers'' going at once it will be an admin nightmare to start a fresh. The multi deal has already been a waste of time for us as DC has frozen prices!! So there was no point in getting more than one year anyway. We somehow need to start again with a clear policy and a normal pricing structure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 It's good job I didn't have pay full price at 16. Otherwise I might never had caught the bug. What do you mean we did back then. Youngsters don't know they're born these days. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 hours ago, gypsyowl said: There's a £26 difference in price between sitting in South Stand tomorrow & sitting in that same seat 6 days later... summit not reyt there! Mate just got his ticket for Spurs V Arsenal.......£35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, owls maniac said: Forest extend their youth category up to 23 and charge £14. That's a great way to get the young fans engaged. I really don't get DC's approach, and when you consider how big our FFP deficit is then it just seems pretty senseless. Unless we get in the PL then DC's actions are going to slowly chip away at our support. Each home game we have 10,000 empty seats in the home end. What is the point of doing fizz all to get them filled? We will always have 10k empty seats until we get to the prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hirst1867 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 23 hours ago, Belfast Owl 2 said: Are you? Yes. Obviously Are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unkastav Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: I've had a membership for the past few seasons, as I just can't make the vast majority of evening games. The special offer games are good value as long as you can attend them, but the saving of a fiver per game means that you need to attend eleven games to actually start saving any money otherwise. We probably break even on our memberships each year, but it's the only option available for fans like us to buy into something which ties you to the club a little bit. Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Sham67 said: At a £1 a game for kids st's. I 'd say we're more than looking after future generations. Not many of our fans seem to recognize that prices for young uns are as cheap if not cheaper than a lot of clubs. 3 hours ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: And if no adult is willing to pay £35-40 a game to accompany them? Wouldn't the adult have a season ticket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, bradowl said: Not many of our fans seem to recognize that prices for young uns are as cheap if not cheaper than a lot of clubs. Wouldn't the adult have a season ticket? The chat was about non season ticket holder mate, so no the adult wouldn't already be an existing season ticket holder. Of course, if said adult was a season ticket holder, then yes the child season ticket rates are very good value. Edited February 25, 2019 by oh_weds_we_love_you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Twenty is plenty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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