Inspector Lestrade Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Just now, Costello 77 said: Fair enough... while you're on.. what you said in the other thread about not being a good manager because you're good with the press is spurious. He's proved himself as a good manager and it's a bonus that he's good with the press... it's the main line of communication between the decision maker and the support. He has to prove himself as a good Wednesday manager, up to now it's going well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helmut_rooster Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Holmowl said: Since he found his shooting boots mid last season:- 2161 minutes played - 16 goals - a goal every 135 minutes It compares well with this season’s leading scorers:- Sharp - 19 goals - goal every 111 minutes Abraham - 19 goals - goal every 109 minutes Pukki - 18 goals - goal every 133 minutes Hope he can continue this form over the long term. Very impressive, can score tap ins, thunderbolts......maybe evan pens.....if we ever get one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookone Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 10 hours ago, meggoisgod said: Proper handful, hopefully he now blossoms under Bruce, probably the long term replacement for fletcher Hope it’s not that long term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Over the past 3.5 years I'd pick Joao and Hooper as our best partnership. When Joao is focussed that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richowl Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Peacenocchio said: Over the past 3.5 years I'd pick Joao and Hooper as our best partnership. When Joao is focussed that is. ...and when Hooper is fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kagoshimaowl Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 13 hours ago, modboy said: Wish we'd signed Pukki. Jos should have known his potential from his time in the German leagues Jos dint know owt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 good player joao, …...the conundrum though is how do you get him into the team .and who do you partner him with . ……. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanye West Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 He's got a lot of talent Joao but his body language doesn't help him most of the time. There's a player in there, it's just if he can do it consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 49 minutes ago, Kanye West said: He's got a lot of talent Joao but his body language doesn't help him most of the time. There's a player in there, it's just if he can do it consistently. yeah all the talent …..we have a talented squad but how you harness it into a successful one is going to be a test for bruce …. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuttyTeabags Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 16 hours ago, Walt said: Tend to agree and if we are going to persist with yesterday's formation then Joao has to be the one to play off Fletcher. One phase of played demonstrated to me why FF should not play the no.10 role...when he should have squared to Fletcher for a tap in, that for me was inexcusable, it was totally the wrong option. If I was Fletcher I would have hammered him for it, it's the sort of thing you see in kids football where they want to score but forget what is the easier and better option. This isn't an isolated incident when FF plays up front it's the norm but sometimes he will bail himself out with a bit of brilliance. Yes he may bring other attributes to the table playing there but you can not have an individual playing the no.10 role, he has got to also play for the team and our no.9 is soon going to get pissed off with his selfishness and unpredictable nature of his play. Imo you're far better using FF's traits elsewhere on the pitch - LHS of a front three. Agree, if we can find a way to get FF, Fletch and Joao in the same side as a dynamic 3 with Joao and FF supporting full backs in defensive phase it may work. Unfortunately whichever way you look at it, it's difficult to get Reach into the side (on current form) if you set up like this. Westwood Iorfa Lees Hector Fox Onomah Hutch Bannan Joao FF Fletcher Can also become a fluid 4 4 2 with FF going left side and Joao running channels both sides. This kind of reminds me of the setup of the side which regularly used to win 3 nil at home in Carlos first season, with Nando at his most effective and which we ditched in PO final as CC went full Tory. Love to see this on Sat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 hours ago, DuttyTeabags said: Agree, if we can find a way to get FF, Fletch and Joao in the same side as a dynamic 3 with Joao and FF supporting full backs in defensive phase it may work. Unfortunately whichever way you look at it, it's difficult to get Reach into the side (on current form) if you set up like this. Westwood Iorfa Lees Hector Fox Onomah Hutch Bannan Joao FF Fletcher Can also become a fluid 4 4 2 with FF going left side and Joao running channels both sides. This kind of reminds me of the setup of the side which regularly used to win 3 nil at home in Carlos first season, with Nando at his most effective and which we ditched in PO final as CC went full Tory. Love to see this on Sat... Drop the player who has scored 6 and made 4 of our last 26 goals? Better line-up... Reach Hutch Bannan FF Fletcher Joao All six players playing in their best roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 17 hours ago, helmut_rooster said: Very impressive, can score tap ins, thunderbolts......maybe evan pens.....if we ever get one? Good point. All of Joao’s goals are outfield goals. Four of Abraham’s are pens, and one of Sharp’s. Should always remove pens when comparing effectiveness of strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I'm looking forward to being proved wrong then cos I don't see what all the fuss is about. I'm probably crazy but he annoys me when he's on the pitch most of the time. He looks lazy and ineffective then he scores which confuses me. I hope he gets better like you lot seem to predict. I readily admit I know nowt about footy before anyone starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debram Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, latemodelchild said: I'm looking forward to being proved wrong then cos I don't see what all the fuss is about. I'm probably crazy but he annoys me when he's on the pitch most of the time. He looks lazy and ineffective then he scores which confuses me. I hope he gets better like you lot seem to predict. I readily admit I know nowt about footy before anyone starts. You don't have to be an expert to see that he at times can be lazy and frustrating, he certainly has the talent but not always the passion to go with it, hope SB can turn him into what we expect and he is capable off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 That's what frustrates me about him. He doesn't seem to apply himself. Maybe it's just his style but he looks lazy. Obviously if he scores the winner every week he can look as lazy as he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuttyTeabags Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Holmowl said: Drop the player who has scored 6 and made 4 of our last 26 goals? Better line-up... Reach Hutch Bannan FF Fletcher Joao All six players playing in their best roles. Maybe it's a hangover from Carlos days but not overly enamoured with left footers on right wing but Reach in fairness can put a ball in with right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, latemodelchild said: I'm looking forward to being proved wrong then cos I don't see what all the fuss is about. I'm probably crazy but he annoys me when he's on the pitch most of the time. He looks lazy and ineffective then he scores which confuses me. I hope he gets better like you lot seem to predict. I readily admit I know nowt about footy before anyone starts. You're in good company then as very few of us on OT do. Maybe Lord Snooty, after that I'm struggling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 5 hours ago, DuttyTeabags said: Agree, if we can find a way to get FF, Fletch and Joao in the same side as a dynamic 3 with Joao and FF supporting full backs in defensive phase it may work. Unfortunately whichever way you look at it, it's difficult to get Reach into the side (on current form) if you set up like this. Westwood Iorfa Lees Hector Fox Onomah Hutch Bannan Joao FF Fletcher Can also become a fluid 4 4 2 with FF going left side and Joao running channels both sides. This kind of reminds me of the setup of the side which regularly used to win 3 nil at home in Carlos first season, with Nando at his most effective and which we ditched in PO final as CC went full Tory. Love to see this on Sat... Why not drop Bannan for Reach. Hutch still there for the defensive stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 It will be interesting to see as we move forward what system Bruce goes with. While we should have been leading easily on Saturday it was pretty obvious as the second half progressed that we needed Joao on the pitch. Up to then we had efficient but not really creative , chances mainly coming from their mistakes. If you looked at the starting 11 then it didn’t contain sufficient goal threat , especially from midfield. No Lee or Wallace types with goals in them. Boyd is just a workhorse. Central midfield both sat which meant nobody linking with the front two which is what FF needs in that position. Bruce is very experienced and patient and I can see him sticking with 442 , staying solid and then using Joao as a super sub . It won’t be pretty and not what I would do but Bruce is a very pragmatic manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Would like to see Joao, Fletcher and Forestieri play as a front 3. Fletcher leading the line with Joao and Forestieri playing off him; Forestieri having the freedom to drop deep and move around, with Joao looking to get in behind with his pace. Reach and Bannan are more than capable of feeding those 3 in that set up, and Hutchinson offers sufficient cover (and Reach/Bannan have the energy levels) to get back in shape when we lose the ball. Honestly think we've kinda forgotten just how much talent this squad of players has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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