Rhubarb n Custard Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Whilst I get the basics of FFP I can't say I really understand. Could someone give a simplified version? I get there are limits and we've spent beyond what we should, which begs the question how come we can afford these loanees ? (Pleased as I am to see them) When will any embargo start and end ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 We can spend what we like no restrictions at the moment. But the reason you have seen Bruce go after Lazaar and Aarons and not Mings and Murphy is because FFP is about to grab us by the balls and squeeze very tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcx666 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Ask Room0035 and Sonny, they spent all yesterday arguing about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, pazowl55 said: We can spend what we like no restrictions at the moment. But the reason you have seen Bruce go after Lazaar and Aarons and not Mings and Murphy is because FFP is about to grab us by the balls and squeeze very tight. Or because they are not has-beens and injury prone?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcx666 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, daveyboy66 said: Or because they are not has-beens and injury prone?? To be fair, Aarons is generally always injured. His hamstrings are made of wet tissue paper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, daveyboy66 said: Or because they are not has-beens and injury prone?? Best Bruce could get with money available I would image and wanted some pace. Recon most of the budget went on Iorfa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhubarb n Custard Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 I'm just interested to what extent we have breached FFP and taking into account yesterday's dealings what penalties do we face ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcx666 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rhubarb n Custard said: I'm just interested to what extent we have breached FFP and taking into account yesterday's dealings what penalties do we face ? Well if the Iorfa fee is the reported 500k, then that will be covered by the money from the chelsea game, and I can't see any of the 3 being on massive wages, nor us paying much of the wages for the 2 lads from Newcastle as they seemed to just want to get them out. So, I'd guess we are as screwed as we were before yesterday, but no more. Edited February 1, 2019 by marcx666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocksyuto Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 We have around 14 players out of contract some are big wages, once they are not renewed we will be well below ffp anyway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest addedtime Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 But how does it relate to Profit and Sustainability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 This is not a bad read on the subject. https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/f-f-p.83633/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetersfieldOwl Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Birmingham did not want to sell Adams as they could not get anyone in as they are under the dreaded embargo.Are we just getting people in while we still can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, marcx666 said: Ask Room0035 and Sonny, they spent all yesterday arguing about it No problem mate as we both agree this is the best and clearest explanation. https://www.mikethornton.xyz/new-ffp-tests/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 i can see merits in avoiding financial mismanagement of clubs but specifically championship wise it seems to me the whole thing works as a glass ceiling for championship clubs the parachute help is in effect a totally unfair leg up to getting back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, stocksyuto said: We have around 14 players out of contract some are big wages, once they are not renewed we will be well below ffp anyway That's for the following year though. won't count for the figures we gotta come up with for this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markowski77 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I can see P&S rules changing very shortly, the EFL has to do something. As it will soon be half the championship in an embargo unable to sign anyone. Since P&S was reinvented, wages & transfers in the championship has jumped 10 fold. it needs change and a complete overhaul as it is currently a joke. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hirst1867 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 47 minutes ago, daveyboy66 said: Or because they are not has-beens and injury prone?? To be completely fair - based on both players records to date - they're 'never beens' Time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrowbyOwl Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, Markowski77 said: I can see P&S rules changing very shortly, the EFL has to do something. As it will soon be half the championship in an embargo unable to sign anyone. Since P&S was reinvented, wages & transfers in the championship has jumped 10 fold. it needs change and a complete overhaul as it is currently a joke. The first EFL FFP rules started in 2012 and the new P&S rules only came into effect from Season 2016/17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhubarb n Custard Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Markowski77 said: I can see P&S rules changing very shortly, the EFL has to do something. As it will soon be half the championship in an embargo unable to sign anyone. Since P&S was reinvented, wages & transfers in the championship has jumped 10 fold. it needs change and a complete overhaul as it is currently a joke. I do hope so not just for our sakes. Seems unfair that clubs like ours that have been out of the top tier for many years do not have the parachute cash the relegated teams do. Clubs like ours are otherwise at a significant disadvantage. Edited February 1, 2019 by Rhubarb n Custard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 22 minutes ago, Markowski77 said: I can see P&S rules changing very shortly, the EFL has to do something. As it will soon be half the championship in an embargo unable to sign anyone. Since P&S was reinvented, wages & transfers in the championship has jumped 10 fold. it needs change and a complete overhaul as it is currently a joke. What makes you think that Mark? I hope you are right, but Ive seen nowt to intimate it will be changing, that it needs changing is hardly the question.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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