eckington owl Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Was surprised how poor Wigan were after spanking Villa last week. Expected a lot more from them. We won at a canter but should have buried them 3/4-0. It was one of those games where I thought we were going to do a ‘Wednesday’ and concede a late equaliser after dominating for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocksyuto Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 So it’s possible we are back to playing long ball that’s fine with me we have had such a different style past few seasons I don’t mind if we play that way. I enjoy when we get a win that way and away supporters start crying about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthowl Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Fletcher won everything. And Nuhiu too when he came on. Normally our big man wins about 1 in 5 long balls. It could be that the Steves had researched the opposition and realised that Wigan's central defenders aren't very good. So was yesterday indicative of a change to playing to exploit opposition weaknesses or a more general change to long ball style? To be fair, we had already started to reduce the fannying about at the back before Jos left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl At Risk Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I'd imagine, on average, those 300 or so Wigan fans in the Lepp would be able to form much more coherent and insightful assessments of a match (like this person's) than our fans, on average, would from an away match. Main reason being about 80% of us will be p1ssed as a fart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the mighty wednesday Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, torres said: It’s not long ball is just lack of faffing about with it After we scored we played some very good stuff for 15 - 20 minutes Long ball to me is hoofing it straight down the middle to a big forward hoping he'll win it when he's surrounded by 2 or 3 defenders. I didn't notice us doing that yesterday. A lot of the passes to Fletcher were to him dropping a bit deeper and we always had someone in his vicinity. The goal came from 2 or 3 very quick passes which left Fletcher with 20 yards of space to run into and when he shot he could just as easily have put Boyd in with a shooting chance. We always had someone to pass to and we passed much more quickly and pressed higher for most of the second half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocksyuto Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, the mighty wednesday said: Long ball to me is hoofing it straight down the middle to a big forward hoping he'll win it when he's surrounded by 2 or 3 defenders. I didn't notice us doing that yesterday. A lot of the passes to Fletcher were to him dropping a bit deeper and we always had someone in his vicinity. The goal came from 2 or 3 very quick passes which left Fletcher with 20 yards of space to run into and when he shot he could just as easily have put Boyd in with a shooting chance. We always had someone to pass to and we passed much more quickly and pressed higher for most of the second half. In a way I think we might have got lucky with the goal...Because what kind of team plays so far back giving a striker 20 yards of space , he could have nipped home had a cuppa come back and scored, any team would have closed down the moment he got the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.. Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, deano said: I wouldn't say was long every time, thought we mixed it up. Yep exactly, the only long balls were when the keeper/defense had the ball and Fletcher completely destroyed their CB and won it every time, when we had the ball in midfield we played through the middle/flanks in a passing style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, Tamworthowl said: It could be that the Steves had researched the opposition and realised that Wigan's central defenders aren't very good. Good point. Could be that (and Fletcher has plenty in his locker to get the better of those type of defenders). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.. Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, stocksyuto said: So it’s possible we are back to playing long ball Did you watch the game? We're not back to long balls, we're just back to when the keeper/defenders have the ball clear it upfield instead of fannying around with it! :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the mighty wednesday Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, stocksyuto said: In a way I think we might have got lucky with the goal...Because what kind of team plays so far back giving a striker 20 yards of space , he could have nipped home had a cuppa come back and scored, any team would have closed down the moment he got the ball. You may well be right there but the fact that Fletcher wasn't always doing the same thing makes it harder for defenders to know what to do. Having said this it was the speed of those 2 or 3 passes which found Fletcher in all that space. On another day we could have passed it to him more sedately giving the defender time to close him down. Some forwards would have been almost following the defender about trying to "win their duel " instead of finding space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 It’s a good idea really. Keep the ball away from our goal. Who wouldaknew eh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls-swfc Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) OP Wigan quote should of known better! Edited January 20, 2019 by owls-swfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewsburyowl58 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Kopparberg said: Tend to agree. Sending it long is less risky, and really, that’s what most fans want to see. It’s the right call for our squad but it’s not how I want us to play and it will never work if we happen to go up , we need defenders who are comfortable in possession in the long run .The punt up to our big man everytime is too one dimensional for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewsburyowl58 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, deano said: I wouldn't say was long every time, thought we mixed it up. Every ball out from Westwood went long , maybe defenders tried to lay it off to our midfield is that what you mean ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash in the Attic Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, Jonboy27 said: There is a difference between long ball and being direct. Mixing the play - like we did yesterday and since Jos left - plays more to the strengths of our players. Why would you make life hard for yourself in trying to play out from the back with players that are not comfortable in doing so ? Couldn't have put it better myself..... Also it might have been far easier for Dawson too as he got pelters for it when he was just doing as he was told. The rest of his game is fine and his shot stopping is great...I did feel sorry for him the abuse he was getting from round me was ridiculous... I do love Westy though..got a man love thing going on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, dewsburyowl58 said: Every ball out from Westwood went long , maybe defenders tried to lay it off to our midfield is that what you mean ? All I'm saying is we didn't punt it long at every opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewsburyowl58 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, deano said: All I'm saying is we didn't punt it long at every opportunity. Whatever , it definitely worked yesterday we thoroughly deserved the 3 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, dewsburyowl58 said: Whatever , it definitely worked yesterday we thoroughly deserved the 3 points Absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agentwalker Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 That was the one main change for me today and it shows that the current management team aren't set in their ways, I was fearing the worst after the Hull game. Bullen had us winning again using the "long ball" up to fletch then playing from there. Then they changed things in the Hull game to playing out from the back again. Now they've gone back to the more direct option and it looks a million times more effective. Might not look the best but keep sticking with what works I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxtongent Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 There is a vast difference between the 'long ball' and the hoofed ball' The first is directed to a forward player or a position he is able to run onto. The hoofed ball is simply a long clearance anywhere. The long ball can be very effective when used correctly, not when the forward has to contest for the ball. . Also the idea of shooting from outside the box is excellent, if the shot's on target There is nothing in the rules, nor the coaching manuals, that says a player must be in the 6yard area before he shoots. We are often too overawed by the trickery. Football is still a basic game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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