james o connor Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Been his biggest defender ,but he was tug today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzieowl Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, bigash_swfc said: You just don't see what your doing. Think before starting threads, players probably read these forums. He's contributing, we wouldn't have won without him. No need for the abuse in your opening post. (players like Abdi deserve it mind) Abuse? Get a grip fgs. How you know we wouldn’t have won without him. What a stupid comment. But it’s ok to abuse Abdi then. Oh jeez Edited January 20, 2019 by ozzieowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkowl Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 11 hours ago, ozzieowl said: This is a forum guys. A place to discuss footballing matters. pay good money to watch our team play. Have every right to discuss each n every one of them if want to. There no scapegoat or comparing to Fox so chill ya beans. Mearly a view on how he played today. Plus think it’s generally how much he offers most games. Prob count on one hand how many great games he’s had in all time he’s been here. For me he’s one of those players u like and want to do great but doesn’t. Thank you for explaining what a forum is. But I fully understand the concept. Hence I asked a question and didn't do what many people do. And state. "Matias is the new Fox" fact. End of thread. So I feel sir. It is you who should "chill ya beans". FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_letters Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Will he take his pastries with him if he goes? If so my wife wants him to have a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 With the 11 that started I would have switched Matias and Reach positions. Reach is rubbish in the central second striker role and a lot better out wide Matias is a decent finisher and makes good runs off the ball . However it is a hell of an ask to be helping Palmer and then supporting Fletcher. Play him in the middle and he will give Fletcher more support. He was poor at Hull and yesterday so might struggle to get in starting 11 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 17 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said: Thought he did ok first half. Poor second. Hardly worth a thread. he was appalling, I didn't see him do much right, and his willingness to get a challenge in borders on something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I also think apart from the odd wonder goal Adam Reach offers nothing in centre mid hes not aggressive enough when we went 442 and reach went out wide we was much more dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 17 hours ago, briggowl said: He definitely needed to come off. Joao transformed the match, even for the goal, Joao was on the front line, defenders worried about him too much and didn't go to challenge Flectch. We looked so much more threatening with him on. If Joao was more consistent we'd have a right player. Mattias, done very little for 4 seasons, it's a big no from me. bruce and his team 'will make' consistency come, or else, and that's true for quite a few players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzieowl Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Hawkowl said: Thank you for explaining what a forum is. But I fully understand the concept. Hence I asked a question and didn't do what many people do. And state. "Matias is the new Fox" fact. End of thread. So I feel sir. It is you who should "chill ya beans". FFS. Lol omg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkowl Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 2 hours ago, ozzieowl said: Lol omg FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhopping Owl Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Matias doesn't fit in the team and never has. His best position is almost certainly on the right of the front line of a 4-3-3, a shape we never really play. In general he doesn't offer enough to be considered for a new contract, he's OK at pressing and scores a few goals but doesn't link in with the rest of the team well enough, the Hull game being a prime example. Add that to the obvious drawback that he's injured a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I can't fault Matias for effort...He tracks back, he tackles...He makes runs...but its sorta haphazard...theres no real structure to it...its a lot of wasted...I dunno what. I am loathe to slate him, cos you can see the effort..but loads of it is in the wrong place....Its misplaced enthusiasm rather than intelligent decision making..... Nice teeth tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, asteener1867 said: I can't fault Matias for effort...He tracks back, he tackles...He makes runs...but its sorta haphazard...theres no real structure to it...its a lot of wasted...I dunno what. I am loathe to slate him, cos you can see the effort..but loads of it is in the wrong place....Its misplaced enthusiasm rather than intelligent decision making..... Nice teeth tho Should concentrate on attacking than messing about at the back. Your right about the teeth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mycroft said: Should concentrate on attacking than messing about at the back. Your right about the teeth So when Palmer goes awol..Matias should simply smile ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Just now, asteener1867 said: So when Palmer goes awol..Matias should simply smile ? Or fall about laughing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: I can't fault Matias for effort...He tracks back, he tackles...He makes runs...but its sorta haphazard...theres no real structure to it...its a lot of wasted...I dunno what. I am loathe to slate him, cos you can see the effort..but loads of it is in the wrong place....Its misplaced enthusiasm rather than intelligent decision making..... Nice teeth tho Makes Donny Osmond look like Shane McGowan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetherivelinowl Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I'm not a Matias fan. As I've pointed out before he is almost always the player in our starting line up who makes the fewest touches; this was the case again yesterday; when Joao replaced him after 60 mins he made as many touches in 30 mins as Matias had in 60. This is why fans often say he doesn't seem to have an impact on the game. (Incidentally, I don't know how he manages so few touches because he certainly isn't lazy - he must just have a knack of running where the ball can't reach him). Also Matias had a pass success of 64%; Joao's was 92%. So many of our attacks seemed to break down when they reached Matias. This wasn't a one-off bad game - I don't see every game but I do see plenty and I've yet to see him have a game where I'd give more than 7 out of 10 - usually I'd give him a 5 or 6. BUT I can see why Matias is seen to have a key role in the team. Under Jos our biggest problem was the lack of cover given to our back 4 who were exposed again and again. The conundrum is to give the full backs the cover they need and still provide support to Fletcher. The solution that we've been using is to use two players, Boyd and Matias, who have the energy and pace to dash back when we need cover and forward again when we attack. If we replaced Matias (or Boyd who was getting some right stick from a bloke behind me yesterday) with Joao or Forestieri or Winnall we'd have to reorganise the team to give cover to the backs because none of those players have the energy or willingness to cover the full-backs. All 3 of those are much better players when they get the ball but we'd lose our current shape and solidity if we picked any of them over Matias (or Boyd). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 this thread sums up owlstalk first bad game in a while and he should be transfer listed ,never been good enough ect. more faces than big ben, people on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 19 hours ago, davetherivelinowl said: I'm not a Matias fan. As I've pointed out before he is almost always the player in our starting line up who makes the fewest touches; this was the case again yesterday; when Joao replaced him after 60 mins he made as many touches in 30 mins as Matias had in 60. This is why fans often say he doesn't seem to have an impact on the game. (Incidentally, I don't know how he manages so few touches because he certainly isn't lazy - he must just have a knack of running where the ball can't reach him). Also Matias had a pass success of 64%; Joao's was 92%. So many of our attacks seemed to break down when they reached Matias. This wasn't a one-off bad game - I don't see every game but I do see plenty and I've yet to see him have a game where I'd give more than 7 out of 10 - usually I'd give him a 5 or 6. BUT I can see why Matias is seen to have a key role in the team. Under Jos our biggest problem was the lack of cover given to our back 4 who were exposed again and again. The conundrum is to give the full backs the cover they need and still provide support to Fletcher. The solution that we've been using is to use two players, Boyd and Matias, who have the energy and pace to dash back when we need cover and forward again when we attack. If we replaced Matias (or Boyd who was getting some right stick from a bloke behind me yesterday) with Joao or Forestieri or Winnall we'd have to reorganise the team to give cover to the backs because none of those players have the energy or willingness to cover the full-backs. All 3 of those are much better players when they get the ball but we'd lose our current shape and solidity if we picked any of them over Matias (or Boyd). reach should have been on that flank, boyd on the other in a 442. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 There used to be a phrase called Out of Form. Seems to have gone out of fashion. Either permanently crap or untouchable these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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