dorian gray Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 24 minutes ago, hugeowl said: No same game I just appreciate that Palmer had a solid game and you dont , makes me laugh when people praise a player and in the same sentence slag one off , especially after a good win . Palmer did well yesterday as he has most games since his re selection , yes his crossing is not the best but that is improving also it must have been ******* bad at some point for it to be worse than yesterday, the close in chance he had in front of the leppings lane end resulted in a shocking cross from about 15 yards, when it just wanted hammering in low. palmer hasn't to convince me, or even reassure you, he has to win bruce over, he may or may not do that, time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 3 hours ago, dnhc said: it must have been ******* bad at some point for it to be worse than yesterday, the close in chance he had in front of the leppings lane end resulted in a shocking cross from about 15 yards, when it just wanted hammering in low. palmer hasn't to convince me, or even reassure you, he has to win bruce over, he may or may not do that, time will tell. Who is the best right back at the club at the moment ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetherivelinowl Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 3 hours ago, hugeowl said: No same game I just appreciate that Palmer had a solid game and you dont , makes me laugh when people praise a player and in the same sentence slag one off , especially after a good win . Palmer did well yesterday as he has most games since his re selection , yes his crossing is not the best but that is improving also Yes, Palmer had a decent enough game yesterday. I'd actually say he had a good game if it wasn't for two glaring errors in the first half 1) when we lost the ball near the half way line and their wide player burst free down his flank. At the breakdown of our move, Palmer was practically next to him but as he ran away Palmer just stood still and let him go. Aaaargh. Why does he do that??? 2) THAT cross when he reached the by-line with all the time in the world and floated a delicate dink into the keeper's arms. Once again his crossing let him down. If it wasn't for those two often repeated elements of his play Palmer would be a pretty decent player. He certainly did lots of positive things. Crikey at one point I thought he was going to be put through on goal in the centre-forward position. Going on his previous attempts at goal, it's perhaps as well the pass never reached him. Until we can afford to bring in someone better, we need to stick with Palmer because he's a far better player than Ash Baker. Oh and credit to Fox for winning over many of his critics, including me. He's been sound in recent games and he knocks in far better crosses than Palmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 22 hours ago, Lee A said: When you're popular at Wednesday, it doesn't matter what you do in the eyes of certain fans. Reach does absolutely nothing but because the fans like him, it's never mentioned. On the other side of it, Fox has been a contender for man of the match in most games since the start of December, but he's unpopular so some refuse to give him any credit. Sad. I rate Reach highly but he's in a dogger run ATM..same goes for Fox but in reverse... people need to stop taking irreversible positions on players... they all go up and down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 18 hours ago, hugeowl said: Who is the best right back at the club at the moment ? who'll be the best in a years time?, who won't be at the club in 18 months if he doesn't improve vastly? and who was the best performing wednesday fullback at the w/e?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Didn't think Bannan was very good today. Just didn't get involved. Fletcher, Joao, Fox and Hutch were brilliant. Joao needs to stay fit and he is now looking like the player we thought he'd be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Once we went to 442 we looked fantastic. Reach over Matias on the right wing for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred mciver Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I think the new coaching team are now starting to really make there mark. Excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 23 hours ago, hugeowl said: No same game I just appreciate that Palmer had a solid game and you dont , makes me laugh when people praise a player and in the same sentence slag one off , especially after a good win . Palmer did well yesterday as he has most games since his re selection , yes his crossing is not the best but that is improving also The Palmer haters are a dedicated bunch I'll give them that. Dissaponting post from the op to use positivity to conceal more Palmer bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Beholder said: The Palmer haters are a dedicated bunch I'll give them that. Dissaponting post from the op to use positivity to conceal more Palmer bashing. i'm not a 'palmer hater', nor know any. in just about every game he shows indecisiveness, or drops a ball or two, his final ball is more often than not very poor, he maybe fortunate that bruce will have little enough money the spend as r/f/b won't be a priority, but he isn't what I expect to see at r/f/b in a side seriously pushing for promotion. solid in the tackle, having pace, not error ridden, can cross a ball, it's not an everlasting list for a decent r/b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, dnhc said: i'm not a 'palmer hater', nor know any. in just about every game he shows indecisiveness, or drops a ball or two, his final ball is more often than not very poor, he maybe fortunate that bruce will have little enough money the spend as r/f/b won't be a priority, but he isn't what I expect to see at r/f/b in a side seriously pushing for promotion. solid in the tackle, having pace, not error ridden, can cross a ball, it's not an everlasting list for a decent r/b To say he is 'very poor more often than not' is just not true (imo) , and it differs so much from how I see him it's futile for us to debate it. With regards to being good enough for an auto push then it depends how we play. If Bruce wants flying full backs then he needs to get a new one. If he wants an orthodox RB then Palmer is just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, Beholder said: To say he is 'very poor more often than not' is just not true (imo) , and it differs so much from how I see him it's futile for us to debate it. With regards to being good enough for an auto push then it depends how we play. If Bruce wants flying full backs then he needs to get a new one. If he wants an orthodox RB then Palmer is just fine. as you say 'we disagree', palmer is hardly good enough (at present) for a side in mid lower half, as he struggled on Saturday, and crosses a ball like he has a dead leg, either childishly soft, or leathered 15/20 yards too far. he doesn't look solid, he doesn't look stable, and is wasteful on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, Beholder said: To say he is 'very poor more often than not' is just not true (imo) , and it differs so much from how I see him it's futile for us to debate it. With regards to being good enough for an auto push then it depends how we play. If Bruce wants flying full backs then he needs to get a new one. If he wants an orthodox RB then Palmer is just fine. I put 'his final ball is more often than not very poor'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Didnt the goal at Luton come from a Palmer cross ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, dnhc said: I put 'his final ball is more often than not very poor'. OK I misquoted, my bad. I dont think he is great in the final third either. Although there is always a willingness to provide an option. But I think the kind of fullback you want is a bit more rare in the championship. Hunt, for example, was no better. Baker, isn't as good. He's experienced and in a conventional back 4 he's fine. We should be offering him a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Don't get the Palmer bashing. Longest serving player at the club, proper Owl, and in a back 4, a very solid full back. Made team of the week for the Championship in at least 1 national newspaper this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, Beholder said: OK I misquoted, my bad. I dont think he is great in the final third either. Although there is always a willingness to provide an option. But I think the kind of fullback you want is a bit more rare in the championship. Hunt, for example, was no better. Baker, isn't as good. He's experienced and in a conventional back 4 he's fine. We should be offering him a new contract. hunt was better (slightly), buxton was better (by far), and we won't offer him a new contract unless he improves, and he won't as his shortfall isn't effort, it's ability, and at his age he's unlikely to improve that in the short time he has to impress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hack-Abusi Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Its like with any player really - comfortable formation and letting them get some games under their belt in a position they are comfortable with .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Palmer is a decent squad player, but if he’s first choice (which he is) then you’re always going to be limited down that side - defensively and offensively I would also give him a new contract, but he needs replacing as first choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 hours ago, hugeowl said: Didnt the goal at Luton come from a Palmer cross ? what was it a front post cross headed in at the far one? he has to improve, and a lot. fox has, he has to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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