NeonLeon Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, TheEnchanter said: I think it becomes a bit ridiculous when the club or chairman calls on the support of the fans, financially, when he has already demonstrated that he completely messed up with our budget in previous years. Certainly doesn't encourage the average fool like me to put my hand deep into my pocket and go above and beyond what I'd normally spend on the club. It's pretty insulting really. Great point to be fair. He’s asking people who are already peeved about him spending season ticket money on wasters like Abdi, for more money. More money that people will now automatically assume will be wasted again. He said about ‘worth’ at the forum and how if he considered ‘worth’ he would’ve never bought the club. The problem is the modern football fan is very knowledgeable. So regardless of whether they see ‘worth’ in what they’re getting in return. The problem he’s got is even if the majority looked beyond that, they’d look at our spending habits and see zero ‘worth’ to the club in how their money is going to be spent. It’s like he’s stood next to a burning pile of cash and is asking for more cash from the fans to keep the fire going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, toppOwl said: Why, who did you want us to appoint? That’s not what I’m saying is it. I am saying we have sod all money, yet are paying Bruce a reported 2 million a season, also why would he agree to come here if he knew we are in such a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffield_dave Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 “Many people have suggested that I invested the amount of money I did – and continue to do – in order to achieve promotion to the Premier League. But this is not correct. I invested these sums to stay in the Championship, to ensure we would have the best chance of avoiding relegation.” This feels like a weird, wholly inaccurate u-turn. Im sorry, but Chansiri did not spend £40m to buy this football club and invest another £30m (or whatever it is) over 3 years for the sake of keeping it in the league. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Willow Owl Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 56 minutes ago, owls maniac said: I really worry the bloke doesn’t have a clue. We need to raise £15m, so how the fizz is some fans scheme gonna make the blind bit of difference? FFS man, start selling players! See comment on wednesday so called experts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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toppOwl Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, WalthamOwl said: That’s not what I’m saying is it. I am saying we have sod all money, yet are paying Bruce a reported 2 million a season, also why would he agree to come here if he knew we are in such a mess. "Reported" = no one knows. He's taken the job lets leave him to get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shez owl Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, darklord said: Has he solved Brexit? he’s decided it’s better to remain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, wilyfox said: What a happy note to end the day on. Good times. I bet that's just what Katrien Meire said at about 10:15 tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls2k Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 That ready like one of those Facebook comments that ends after 14 paragraphs with.. "and I cannot believe you were gullible enough to read all this." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigash_swfc Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, owls maniac said: Player sales is where the revenue will come from. Does he seriously think selling this scheme will raise the millions required for a promotion warchest? It’s so deluded it’s actually terrifying. Players sales is where the revenue must come from. Squad rejuvenation is needed. Sell when the time is right. Bruce is a master wheeler dealer and will help Chansiri understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, sheffield_dave said: “Many people have suggested that I invested the amount of money I did – and continue to do – in order to achieve promotion to the Premier League. But this is not correct. I invested these sums to stay in the Championship, to ensure we would have the best chance of avoiding relegation.” This feels like a weird, wholly inaccurate u-turn. Im sorry, but Chansiri did not spend £40m to buy this football club and invest another £30m (or whatever it is) over 3 years for the sake of keeping it in the league. Another thing that will slip by people. Wonder if we all dreamt it when he said we had a 2 year plan to reach the Prem, the point he was quite insistent on making so that people invested heavily in long term tickets. Nah must have dreamt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toppOwl Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, NeonLeon said: Great point to be fair. He’s asking people who are already peeved about him spending season ticket money on wasters like Abdi, for more money. More money that people will now automatically assume will be wasted again. He said about ‘worth’ at the forum and how if he considered ‘worth’ he would’ve never bought the club. The problem is the modern football fan is very knowledgeable. So regardless of whether they see ‘worth’ in what they’re getting in return. The problem he’s got is even if the majority looked beyond that, they’d look at our spending habits and see zero ‘worth’ to the club in how their money is going to be spent. It’s like he’s stood next to a burning pile of cash and is asking for more cash from the fans to keep the fire going. Really? The modern football fans to me seems like a clueless drama queen who wants about twenty different managers a season, acts like the worlds ending after one defeat and blows unfounded rumours totally out of proportion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, bigash_swfc said: Players sales is where the revenue must come from. Squad rejuvenation is needed. Sell when the time is right. Bruce is a master wheeler dealer and will help Chansiri understand. Bruce is a football manager not a financial advisor. And surely Chansiri would understand the basic economics of the sitauation instead of pleading victim to some sort of personal attack launched by the evil FFP on his perfectly above board spending habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogbob Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: The Bruce appointment just makes no sense after this. Mind boggling. Thinking about it, hes a wheeler and dealer. So he would look to trade out of the mess. So for me that makes sense. Trouble is, hes not actually in place to deal atm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, sheffield_dave said: “Many people have suggested that I invested the amount of money I did – and continue to do – in order to achieve promotion to the Premier League. But this is not correct. I invested these sums to stay in the Championship, to ensure we would have the best chance of avoiding relegation.” This feels like a weird, wholly inaccurate u-turn. Im sorry, but Chansiri did not spend £40m to buy this football club and invest another £30m (or whatever it is) over 3 years for the sake of keeping it in the league. He bought a stable mid table side operating on a shoestring. Someone should tell Preston that they need to spend 20m a season to stay up. Chansiri went for promotion as he should’ve done. No shame in it, just that he needed and needs a more sustainable plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Surely this is a tick box excersize to please the football league regarding p&s over forcast the sales on 1867 spend in January with out selling if we don’t want to then get investment before March ie the stadium saga just saying spendaghedon is on written in a way to get the fans to sympathise with him I felt it I think he means well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffield_dave Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, TheEnchanter said: Another thing that will slip by people. Wonder if we all dreamt it when he said we had a 2 year plan to reach the Prem, the point he was quite insistent on making so that people invested heavily in long term tickets. Nah must have dreamt it. Yeah. I mean I’m not going to be the one to trawl through his statements from 2015, but I’m pretty sure tonight’s claim that he came to invest in Championship survival is demonstrably false. Remember before Bullen won 4 games and we appointed Bruce when we all thought the man had no idea what he was doing and is just whinging it..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogbob Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, TheEnchanter said: Bruce is a football manager not a financial advisor. And surely Chansiri would understand the basic economics of the sitauation instead of pleading victim to some sort of personal attack launched by the evil FFP on his perfectly above board spending habits. Tbh, the evidence suggests he dosnt understand the basic economics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, Maddogbob said: Thinking about it, hes a wheeler and dealer. So he would look to trade out of the mess. So for me that makes sense. Trouble is, hes not actually in place to deal atm. That’s the thing. We have January to wheel and deal and we haven’t got the manger in place to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ash76 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 My take.. Talks with Bruce who takes it on provision he can rebuild where P&S allows and requests to be consulted over player sales. Half way through the month now and no offers for any of our players and suddenly DC is panicking about the implications of falling foul of P&S when accounts are submitted and wonders how else he can raise funds. Welcome to 1867 V.2. Problem is now we'll attract bids for some of our players Reach - £4m Bannan - £2.5m Nando - £3m Joao - £3m I know he likes trips to the casino but i can't imagine he's a good poker player. Also wish someone in our press office would change the password to the site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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