gbear05 279 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I’d like to see Chansiri and Bruce work to a 3 year plan to get promoted. Throwing cash at a quick promotion hasn’t worked. We should be more planful, organised and structured in building for the medium and long term. If we get promoted sooner than that, then great. Promotions at a lot of teams took time and I hope Chansiri is realising that. What do people think? There’s a tension at the moment because Chansiri is charging such high prices, that he probably feels pressured into getting promotion as quickly as possible. Perhaps he could lower the prices and communicate a new plan, learning from our mistakes. Link to post Share on other sites
royalowlisback 8,895 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I like the word planful. 6 Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post heppers 5,188 Posted January 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 minute ago, gbear05 said: I’d like to see Chansiri and Bruce work to a 3 year plan to get promoted. Throwing cash at a quick promotion hasn’t worked. We should be more planful, organised and structured in building for the medium and long term. If we get promoted sooner than that, then great. Promotions at a lot of teams took time and I hope Chansiri is realising that. What do people think? There’s a tension at the moment because Chansiri is charging such high prices, that he probably feels pressured into getting promotion as quickly as possible. Perhaps he could lower the prices and communicate a new plan, learning from our mistakes. Year 1 - get promotion via play offs. Year 2 - win premier league Year 3 - win the premier league, FA Cup and Champions League 3 2 8 Link to post Share on other sites
Lee A 15,528 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Definitely agree that long term planning is better than spunking money for a quick fix. 3 years might be optimistic though, next couple of years are most likely going to be about surviving, then stabilising and righting the recent wrongs. Link to post Share on other sites
SiJ 47,798 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 If you believe Nixon and a few others Howson), then thinks we can still get promoted and is willing to back Bruce in January. Link to post Share on other sites
Jowl 3,720 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Said this just prior to the fans forum. 3, 5 and 10 year plan. Communicate the summary to the fans Manage expectations Prrrrrrrrrrofit Link to post Share on other sites
southportdc 24,991 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 minute ago, SiJ said: If you believe Nixon and a few others Howson), then thinks we can still get promoted and is willing to back Bruce in January. 3 month plan. Sorted. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Jowl 3,720 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Just now, southportdc said: 3 month plan. Sorted. I am wondering if Chansiri has decided poo or bust tbh Link to post Share on other sites
TheSlicer 1,095 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, SiJ said: If you believe Nixon and a few others Howson), then thinks we can still get promoted and is willing to back Bruce in January. I’ve read somewhere that he’s starting in February. So that would definitely not add up Link to post Share on other sites
Jowl 3,720 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Just now, OughtibridgeOwl said: I’ve read somewhere that he’s starting in February. So that would definitely not add up "Steve, give us your targets and we'll get them in place for February" Link to post Share on other sites
heppers 5,188 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, heppers said: Year 1 - get promotion via play offs. Year 2 - win premier league Year 3 - win the premier league, FA Cup and Champions League To be fair I would be spent Link to post Share on other sites
pazowl55 8,221 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, OughtibridgeOwl said: I’ve read somewhere that he’s starting in February. So that would definitely not add up His backroom team will be in from today. Link to post Share on other sites
matthefish2002 12,515 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lee A said: Definitely agree that long term planning is better than spunking money for a quick fix. 3 years might be optimistic though, next couple of years are most likely going to be about surviving, then stabilising and righting the recent wrongs. I agree about having a 3 year plan is a good idea. But dont believe Bruce would come if he thought he would have to a couple of seasons rebuilding job. Been a manager for 20 years and doesn't need to work for the money. Believe he has come as he thinks he can get Wednesday up next season. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
i used to be sc_owl 6,677 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Maybe I'm being a bit simple, but it seems to me that building a promotion winning side is fairly straightforward with a modest amount of money spent. It comes down to transfer strategy and squad selection. You have a squad of 22-25 for your first team, of which approx 15-18 are good enough to play first team football without too much impact on quality. The rest of the spaces are youth and loan players. Each transfer window you identify which part of your strongest starting eleven is weakest and strengthen that position. Over two seasons and four transfer windows you should then have improved a minimum of four places in the starting eleven. The key is not to recruit for the sake of recruiting. You do not recruit players to round out your squad. You recruit to improve the weakest part of your strongest starting eleven. The player displaced either moves on or becomes part of the squad. This allows you to maintain the core of your strongest side. It does not disrupt the squad balance too much at any one time. It's a logical progression of continuous improvement. Or, you can blow your load on signing up any and all available players without any thought about how they can be fashioned into an effective starting eleven. Who knows, maybe I'm being too simple minded about it. Link to post Share on other sites
stocksyuto 2,757 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, SiJ said: If you believe Nixon and a few others Howson), then thinks we can still get promoted and is willing to back Bruce in January. Technically we could if we don’t lose any games for the rest of the season Link to post Share on other sites
S72 Owl 1,759 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) Having 3 year plans is all well and good. But what if we don’t win promotion in that 3rd year? That will be 7 seasons DC has been here. Theres no reason we can’t plan now to try and win promotion next season. Edited January 2, 2019 by S72 Owl Link to post Share on other sites
beswetherick 4,039 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I think Bullen has proved in the past few games that we have a decent side, although we’re still probably a few players short of a squad that can challenge at the top. It seems that he’s simply gone back to basics and put round pegs in round holes, rather than changing the system and personnel every single game. We had a shocker of a season last year when Carlos lost the plot and was replaced by the even more clueless Luhukay, so after consecutive top 6 finishes we’ve essentially lost a season and a half. We still have the majority of the players that finished in the play offs two years running and there’s no reason a manager who has the track record of Bruce can’t come in and get us challenging again. I’m more optimistic about this appointment than I have been for any of our managerial appointments in years. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I'd settle for a having a style of football to get behind and some form in the 2nd half of the season that shows we can have a go next season. The squad is not bad and a good manager has enough at his disposal to get us rolling in that direction. Link to post Share on other sites
sherlyegg 4,424 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Football plans? no such thing. The problem with a plan is, in year 3 a club or clubs comes from nowhere and spends zillions and knocks you out of the water, then your better players want to leave. Link to post Share on other sites
i used to be sc_owl 6,677 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 minute ago, beswetherick said: I think Bullen has proved in the past few games that we have a decent side, although we’re still probably a few players short of a squad that can challenge at the top. It seems that he’s simply gone back to basics and put round pegs in round holes, rather than changing the system and personnel every single game. We had a shocker of a season last year when Carlos lost the plot and was replaced by the even more clueless Luhukay, so after consecutive top 6 finishes we’ve essentially lost a season and a half. We still have the majority of the players that finished in the play offs two years running and there’s no reason a manager who has the track record of Bruce can’t come in and get us challenging again. I’m more optimistic about this appointment than I have been for any of our managerial appointments in years. Some of those players who pushed us to two top-six finishes are done though. I don't think we will see any effective contribution from Hooper or Lee before the end of the season, at which point I believe both contracts are up? Also, lacking a dominant midfielder. Hutchinson has been a breath of fresh air but we are all waiting for his next spell on the sidelines. No one is doubting his ability but his temperament and natural fitness are both concerns. Link to post Share on other sites
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