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4 minutes ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said:

Why is that Gerinako, you don't have any problem living in a mortgaged home do you ? So why a problem sitting in a rented stadium 39.5 hours a year. You will still have the same emotional attachment !


It's a short term gamble with potential long term repercussions

The mortgage scenario is completely different.
I'm not gambling my entire house value on some fanciful dream

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6 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

You are always gambling in business, but you try and take a calculated risk. If he can pull this off, and get it past the EFL, it’s a good way to refinance the business

 

And like every other business existence, there has to be a contingency in case the main plan fails. Is there a contingency or is this just a refinancing exercise to raise a pile of extra chips to throw at the casino? (if indeed any of it is true, of course).

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1 hour ago, matthefish2002 said:

I know we are only talking hypothetically on here about selling Hillsborough and just discussing a rumour but would be really, really uneasy about going down this road.

I know people would argue its to a trusted family member and just a way to get round FFP rules but my intuition tells me it would not be a straight forward as that. Selling the ground to fun 3 or 4 big signings is just not the way forward.

Yes I want to see Wednesday get to the Premier league but think this would be a gamble too far. 

 

Totally agree.

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I don’t think someone with a bizarre notion that we can still get promoted coupled with an on going thirst for always more signings is the best person to ask about whether we should sell our ground for spending money.

 

Unfortunately this description doesn’t just apply to some fans but the guy in charge too.

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27 minutes ago, Gerinako said:


It's a short term gamble with potential long term repercussions

The mortgage scenario is completely different.
I'm not gambling my entire house value on some fanciful dream

I imagine he's not 'gabling' anything.

he is selling to someone he can trust, the ground will not be able to be re-sold to anyone other than dc, and that will only be upon promotion OR before dc sells the club onwards.

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7 minutes ago, dnhc said:

why?

Look at the Coventry City scenarios.Coventry were left playing in Northampton 30 miles away. They rented from a landlord who had them evicted from what was there home ground. Once you lose control of your stadium you are not in control of your club. Worst case scenarios I know but is a possibility and too big a risk in my opinion.

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1 minute ago, dnhc said:

I imagine he's not 'gabling' anything.

he is selling to someone he can trust, the ground will not be able to be re-sold to anyone other than dc, and that will only be upon promotion OR before dc sells the club onwards.

 

So you think it is collateral based on an unconditional loan from a family member? Either way, it would mean the ground dropping off the asset register of the business thus out of direct control of the owner. 

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13 hours ago, frastheowl said:

 

Probably BS.

 

But I didn't think that was a viable option.

 

Any sale/sponsorship has to be of fair value. 

 

Hillsborough is not worth £30m, and so, only the true "value" of the stadium would assumed in the P&S accounts. 

what IS the value of Hillsborough?

you state it is NOT £39M, but what is it, and how do you know?

 

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13 hours ago, frastheowl said:

 

Probably BS.

 

But I didn't think that was a viable option.

 

Any sale/sponsorship has to be of fair value. 

 

Hillsborough is not worth £30m, and so, only the true "value" of the stadium would assumed in the P&S accounts. 

 

It possibly is worth that though!?

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6 minutes ago, ZicoSterland2 said:

Look at the Coventry City scenarios.Coventry were left playing in Northampton 30 miles away. They rented from a landlord who had them evicted from what was there home ground. Once you lose control of your stadium you are not in control of your club. Worst case scenarios I know but is a possibility and too big a risk in my opinion.

And West Ham?

 

It goes wrong for some, and works for others (do the pigs own theirs?)

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3 minutes ago, ZicoSterland2 said:

Look at the Coventry City scenarios.Coventry were left playing in Northampton 30 miles away. They rented from a landlord who had them evicted from what was there home ground. Once you lose control of your stadium you are not in control of your club. Worst case scenarios I know but is a possibility and too big a risk in my opinion.

this ins NOT a Coventry city issue, DC has funds but is not allowed to attempt to level the playing field between us and the  'parachute payment' boys because ffp rules are there to protect them further whilst attempting to re-buy there premier league status. 

he will sell to a 'trusted' friend' will stipulations in the contract not allowing the re-sale.

even if he was slack enough not to, what do you see Hillsborough being used for, building land? a fishing pond? or boating lake?

it's a way of injecting capital into the 'project' for one last blast from him. should he then decide to sell the club, it would be wise of the buyer to secure the ground in the sale, BUT not essential, as dc wouldn't be able to raise the rent too far before the club jumped ship leaving him with an 'elderly' stadium (terms used by plenty on here) built on what now appears to be damaged ground. 

stop looking at this from a working class persons perspective with a mortgage, if you haven't got the understanding of finance at this level it's best left to those itk, he'll have had this looked into by people whose world IS finance, and it will be watertight.

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