southportdc Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Sonny said: Definitely not but I’d say a certain level of loss can be recouped in a shortish amount of time through player sales and contracts ending etc. The league have set that at £13m. Whether you agree with that figure or not it’s definitely more likely to be sustainable than letting an owner just do whatever they want. I don't think there's any flat figure that works for everyone tbh. If the idea is that a certain level of losses can be recouped through sale of assets, then your allowable losses should be based on the value of assets. Debts of £39m might sink half the clubs in the Championship for good, whereas some clubs could just sell 2 or 3 players to cover it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 minute ago, southportdc said: I don't think there's any flat figure that works for everyone tbh. If the idea is that a certain level of losses can be recouped through sale of assets, then your allowable losses should be based on the value of assets. Debts of £39m might sink half the clubs in the Championship for good, whereas some clubs could just sell 2 or 3 players to cover it. Seems to be working so far though doesn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, Ash76 said: Fair point, trust funds held by the FA could get around that maybe? Alternatively. my original idea to fix the game long term is restricting the number of player registrations can hold at different age groups. That would prevent the likes of Chelsea sending out 40 odd players n loan and asking for £40m for a player that's hardly played a top level game for them Agree with that. Loaning out 40 players is a joke. Register 25 to 30 players max and thats it. Spread the talent through the leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, Sonny said: Seems to be working so far though doesn’t it? Apart from Hunt we dont sell players at all though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, billyblack said: Apart from Hunt we dont sell players at all though. I was referring to the fact that no clubs seem to have gone bust/into admin since FFP came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZicoSterland2 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Gerinako said: If his bathwater tastes as good as Bovril we're on to a winner Last time I had Bovril at the game i had squitters for 2 days. Never had it again in 3 years. So Bovril bathwater its all a no from me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 34 minutes ago, Ash76 said: Fair point, trust funds held by the FA could get around that maybe? Alternatively. my original idea to fix the game long term is restricting the number of player registrations can hold at different age groups. That would prevent the likes of Chelsea sending out 40 odd players n loan and asking for £40m for a player that's hardly played a top level game for them Not sure on how a trust would work but sounds like it could if it provides some assurance. Maybe the limit on loaning our players will have a similar effect to your second proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZicoSterland2 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Pablo Bonvin said: If the ground does get sold I fully expect that imbecile from across the city to be back onto the EFL again, as he was with D Taxis etc. Poundland Prince and Mcsowe shoes off protest in the stye car park. Then fight to the death to be the bacon king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZicoSterland2 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, gurujuan said: As unpalatable as it will be to some, I envisage we will move to a more modern stadium, if and when we get to the top flight. Maybe even a purpose built Sheffield stadium which we may end up sharing with our neighbours Cleaning bill at their end of ground would be too big a hurdle for any agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZicoSterland2 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Ash76 said: But if the EFL allowed owners to put in what money they want (not as loans) what is wrong with that? Trouble is they dont and these rules are in place to safeguard clubs. It was only 7 years ago we were teetering on the brink of administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southportdc Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 38 minutes ago, Sonny said: Seems to be working so far though doesn’t it? 16 minutes ago, Sonny said: I was referring to the fact that no clubs seem to have gone bust/into admin since FFP came in. Coventry were post-FFP weren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southportdc Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 minute ago, ZicoSterland2 said: Trouble is they dont and these rules are in place to safeguard clubs. It was only 7 years ago we were teetering on the brink of administration. Were our annual losses then in excess of £13m? I thought Milan said it was £5m-£10m per year? So sustainable to the Football league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Cosby Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, gurujuan said: As unpalatable as it will be to some, I envisage we will move to a more modern stadium, if and when we get to the top flight. Maybe even a purpose built Sheffield stadium which we may end up sharing with our neighbours I'd rather share underwear with my mother. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, southportdc said: Coventry were post-FFP weren't they? I don’t know. I thought their problems started 10 years ago when SISU bought them. Still, it’s a far cry from when a different club was going into admin every month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, southportdc said: Were our annual losses then in excess of £13m? I thought Milan said it was £5m-£10m per year? So sustainable to the Football league. Not necessarily under the revamped rules - this is quite a good summing up. https://www.mikethornton.xyz/new-ffp-tests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZicoSterland2 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 49 minutes ago, Ash76 said: Fair point, trust funds held by the FA could get around that maybe? Alternatively. my original idea to fix the game long term is restricting the number of player registrations can hold at different age groups. That would prevent the likes of Chelsea sending out 40 odd players n loan and asking for £40m for a player that's hardly played a top level game for them Have to agree with this Hector cost 5m yet has never played a first team game for Chelsea. Clubs should be restricted too how many players they can have on the books. The system is totally set up for the biggest and richest clubs even the likes of Arsenal cant really compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, ChinaOwl said: I presume you mean Thai Union Group. If they fancy a shareholder rebellion at the next AGM, T.U.G. will enter into such an agreement. Though I am fairly extremely confident that won't be happening. The agm of one shareholder that should be interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, southportdc said: Were our annual losses then in excess of £13m? I thought Milan said it was £5m-£10m per year? So sustainable to the Football league. Not necessarily under revamped rules. https://www.mikethornton.xyz/new-ffp-tests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Just now, akbuk said: The agm of one shareholder that should be interesting Do you think that Thai Union Group PLC (PCL in Thailand) has one shareholder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 minute ago, ChinaOwl said: Do you think that Thai Union Group PLC (PCL in Thailand) has one shareholder? No but the owners of TUG could open another company to purchase the ground and invest in the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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