Beholder Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) I'm by no means condoning the ref ading 9 minutes yesterday. But I think walking off extra slow when you are trying to time waste only makes the refs add it on at the end with interest. It's all about their perception. And a slow paced walk compared to a medium /slow paced jog doesn't actually waste that much time compared to the time refs penalise for it if they perceive time wasting. There clearly weren't 9 minutes of stoppages in that half, West Brom subs all came in one and there were no goals. So the ref has added massive time because he perceived we time wasted. So to conclude that overlong post, I think we should limit time wasting as it only annoys refs and makes them add 9 minutes from nowhere. Edited December 30, 2018 by Beholder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Beholder said: I'm by no means condoning the ref ading 9 minutes yesterday. But I think walking off extra slow when you are trying to time waste only makes the refs add it on at the end with interest. It's all about their perception. And a slow paced walk compared to a medium /slow paced jog doesn't actually waste that much time compared to the time refs penalise for it if they perceive time wasting. There clearly weren't 9 minutes of stoppages in that half, West Brom subs all came in one and there were no goals. So the ref has added massive time because he perceived we time wasted. So to conclude that overlong post, I think we should limit time wasting as it only annoys refs and makes them add 9 minutes from nowhere. No goals in the second half. Are you sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted December 30, 2018 Author Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Blatter said: No goals in the second half. Are you sure. Not prior injury time when 6 minutes were awarded that turned into 9 Edited December 30, 2018 by Beholder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheriwozgod Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) I have been saying for years that refs should time how long it takes a player to leave the field , then treble that in added time if it takes longer than 20 seconds Edited December 30, 2018 by sheriwozgod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 When Matias went down with “cramp” in their box. Their keeper hauled him up and rightly got a yellow. Matias then just carried on so obviously wasting time. Why wasn’t he booked ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted December 30, 2018 Author Share Posted December 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, sheriwozgod said: I have been saying for years that refs should time how long it takes a player to leave the field , then treble that in added time if it takes longer than 20 seconds Tbh I think some refs already do that. In the case of yesterday's he squared it by a factor of 8! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheriwozgod Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Just now, Beholder said: Tbh I think some refs already do that. In the case of yesterday's he squared it by a factor of 8! I agree...……….but lets make it official so players know for SURE that they are making things worse by timewasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_D Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) Timing should be taken off the refs. Clock stops when play stops, starts again as soon as play restarts. Not hard to figure that out. Edited December 30, 2018 by Ian_D taken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Just now, Beholder said: Not prior injury time I know what you meant to say but the fourth official signalled 6 minutes and the goal was scored on 90+5 I thought the extras were added by the on field ref after the goal, to allow for the celebration by Brunt ( for an own goal by Jones) In fairness though, according to John Pearson on the Ifollow audio commentary, the board originally signalled 5 but was changed to 6 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted December 30, 2018 Author Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ian_D said: Timing should be taken off the refs. Clock stops when play stops, starts again as soon as play restarts. Not hard to figure that out. Well there is talk of changing the rules to have 30 minute halves but the clock stops every time play stops. It would exclude both time wasting and time adding. Edited December 30, 2018 by Beholder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toppOwl Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 The referee yesterday was a complete bell, not surprised at anything he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 6 minutes did seem a bit excessive but not unexpected. I've seen teams blatantly and cynically waste time at Hillsborough far worse than we did yesterday and the ref's added 3 or 4 minutes. However nobody would have complained if they'd put 4 minutes up yesterday and we'd still have blown it at the last because more time would have been put on because of the Matias "injury" incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Down South Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Agree with OP. Brian Clough's teams never really gave referees too much grief, whether through time-wasting or dissent. Clough always reckoned it worked in their favour overall, and he knew a thing or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthowl Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Different refs have different approaches. The ref spoke to Dawson not long after we scored: could have been about anything, but I took it as a reminder about time wasting. We should have taken that as a signal that time would be added on. Although West Brom's substitutions were quick, they followed Rodrigues' sending off, and he was back and forth along the half way line for a minute or two before the substitution were made. Six minutes seemed reasonable (albeit it might have been less with other referees). Add a bit for the goal and Matias "injury" (ref clearly signalled that he'd stopped the watch) and you've got 8 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Personally I think a ref adds time accordingly to try and facilitate the result he wants ... or paid to deliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, pgmetcalf said: Personally I think a ref adds time accordingly to try and facilitate the result he wants ... or paid to deliver Crikey,thats a bit strong fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Beholder said: Well there is talk of changing the rules to have 30 minute halves but the clock stops every time play stops. It would exclude both time wasting and time adding. it would be like American football, you get home after midnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 hour ago, alanharper said: 6 minutes did seem a bit excessive but not unexpected. I've seen teams blatantly and cynically waste time at Hillsborough far worse than we did yesterday and the ref's added 3 or 4 minutes. However nobody would have complained if they'd put 4 minutes up yesterday and we'd still have blown it at the last because more time would have been put on because of the Matias "injury" incident. I think there's an unwritten law in english football, about 'knowing your place' when a (what is deemed) a lesser team is winning at a bigger club, then you double the amount of stoppage time to fully allow the home side every chance to equalise, especially after sending one of the home players off, and being unable to balance that out. that's why we get shafted at home, and shafted away too, add to that this club has just about always been a set of silly ******ds that will accept anything, and... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewswfc Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Beholder said: Well there is talk of changing the rules to have 30 minute halves but the clock stops every time play stops. It would exclude both time wasting and time adding. Christ..... I'd be fit enough to get a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i used to be sc_owl Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Beholder said: Well there is talk of changing the rules to have 30 minute halves but the clock stops every time play stops. It would exclude both time wasting and time adding. Well the ball is normally only in-play for about an hour anyway. Seems absurd to me that this rule change has not already been implemented. Suppose the authorities are too busy flipping around with the offside rule for the hundredth time to be bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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