TheEnchanter Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Royal_D said: I wouldn’t say I backed Jos over it, I did think it was contractual with regards Westwood though so I backed Dawson , as I think the majority did to be fair or at least wanted to see the kid do well If Westwood carries on playing I still maintain either Dawson or Wildsmith needs to be sold or loaned out, can’t have two keepers like them at that age not playing To be fair i was only saying it tongue in cheek. Im wrong 10 tines a day on Owlstalk about most things anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Bulgaria said: Has me giggling that has. Its the normal lack of concentration bud, I'm sure he was a goldfish in his previous life, he seems to see the man run past, but Dosent react, its like it takes the brain too long to compute Having said that vast improvement last couple of games from the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakefield owl Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 3 hours ago, hirstys_achilles said: LB even stated Dawson has been our most consistent performer this season ?? So why has our results improved when he not playing ?? Its not because KW is a better goalkeeper. Dawson has had far to much stick already this season unfairly. My issue is a post dedicated to praising KW when anyone who thinks that our bad results are entirely due to Dawson and the change in fortunes is entirely down to KW is totally wrong and just another kick in the face for Dawson. It even more wrong when the players infront of Dawson decided mot to play and this has now been proven yet some still see the messiah as KW and slate Dawson for the results !!! It’s about a keeper organising the defence and the defence having confidence in the keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlfandbg Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 I personally feel sorry for Joe Wildsmith . Played so well last year. Jos didn't even consider trying him when Dawson struggled. Don't get me wrong. I don't think Dawson did anything other than his best and was superb at times . However in goalkeepers ,experience counts and Westwood has that. Now that he is back involved with the 1st team he can get back to helping the younger keepers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Just now, owlfandbg said: I personally feel sorry for Joe Wildsmith . Played so well last year. Jos didn't even consider trying him when Dawson struggled. Don't get me wrong. I don't think Dawson did anything other than his best and was superb at times . However in goalkeepers ,experience counts and Westwood has that. Now that he is back involved with the 1st team he can get back to helping the younger keepers too. I think he produced some fairly lacklustre displays for the development side, and wasn’t great in the cup Probably ought to go out on loan next month 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, owlfandbg said: I personally feel sorry for Joe Wildsmith . Played so well last year. Jos didn't even consider trying him when Dawson struggled. Don't get me wrong. I don't think Dawson did anything other than his best and was superb at times . However in goalkeepers ,experience counts and Westwood has that. Now that he is back involved with the 1st team he can get back to helping the younger keepers too. It does amaze me considering how comfortable Jos was to chop and change everyone else that he didn’t do the same with Joe and Cameron I’m a big fan of both the young keepers, and i just hope Luhukays blind faith in Dawson doesn’t damage him in the long run, hopefully the owner sees fit to give one of them the chance of a good loan move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando_Trustful Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I feel safe seeing KW in net. Imagine what the players feel. KW’s presence alone will give huge confidence to Lees, Hector etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirstys_achilles Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 4 hours ago, kingsidney said: He wasn’t in the match day squad for months. How was he going to help? I apologise for assuming others have experience of being a professional footballer as there is lots of un written rules, 1 is if you not in the match day squad this does not mean you are expected to stay away from the team. Basically if your name is not in the squad at home (away matches is different as the manager tells you if you on the coach and travelling if not being selected) the amount of input if any is up to the player themselves. If you are a experienced player and not in the squad it was almost expected that you would be around for the younger team players to help if needed or just to jee players up or help moral its just what the older guys coming to the end of playing days do. Nobody would make them do this but the amount of input is left to the players discretion. I remember from my youth a goalkeeper of 4 or 5 years being no.1 was dropped for the younger reserve keeper by the manager and the experienced goal keeper basically assumed the role without any prompting of a match day coach passing on as much experience as he could to the youngster. All i could hear in the midfield was the older goalie shouting at the young keeper on how to marshal and defend. KW is very vocal. Not when Dawson was playing !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Some of the OT clowns were actually questioning if Westwood still had it...it was never in doubt!!! Give your heads a wobble. back jos, back Dawson...he sees him every day he knows more than us!! Utter gonads and it’s been proved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) Will say it again, losing 2 or arguably with Pudil, call it 3 defenders, we were always going to struggle. That’s why we needed Westwood in the net - experience and organisation. If you’re asking me if we started the season with Westwood, we’d be better off? I dunno. I think getting rid of Jos has had a greater effect on results, certainly in the short term. We all know we should have got rid of Jos earlier Edited December 27, 2018 by pgmetcalf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York_Owl Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 12 hours ago, hirstys_achilles said: LB even stated Dawson has been our most consistent performer this season ?? So why has our results improved when he not playing ?? Its not because KW is a better goalkeeper. Dawson has had far to much stick already this season unfairly. My issue is a post dedicated to praising KW when anyone who thinks that our bad results are entirely due to Dawson and the change in fortunes is entirely down to KW is totally wrong and just another kick in the face for Dawson. It even more wrong when the players infront of Dawson decided mot to play and this has now been proven yet some still see the messiah as KW and slate Dawson for the results !!! Praising Westwood and slating Dawson don’t go hand in hand. I think the general consensus is that Westwood brings experience, leadership and organisation to the team (Something that the team was badly lacking especially with the loss of Loovens and the exclusion of Hutchinson and some of the other senior pros). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl91 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 32 minutes ago, York_Owl said: Praising Westwood and slating Dawson don’t go hand in hand. I think the general consensus is that Westwood brings experience, leadership and organisation to the team (Something that the team was badly lacking especially with the loss of Loovens and the exclusion of Hutchinson and some of the other senior pros). Precisely this. You can praise someone without it being a swipe at someone else. Dawsons time will come again for us for sure, just hopefully not too soon as don’t want KW to leave just yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earlsfieldowl Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 16 hours ago, deano said: We just look so solid again, fantastic. Absolutely baffling what was going through Jos's head. symptomatic of his thinking this season - all so odd after such a strong finish to last only he will know why .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheriwozgod Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 9 hours ago, Royal_D said: It does amaze me considering how comfortable Jos was to chop and change everyone else that he didn’t do the same with Joe and Cameron I’m a big fan of both the young keepers, and i just hope Luhukays blind faith in Dawson doesn’t damage him in the long run, hopefully the owner sees fit to give one of them the chance of a good loan move I suggested this on quite a few occasions and got plenty of negs for it...………….was told I wasn`t "clever enough" to see the bigger picture in what JL was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookone Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 18 hours ago, Blue and white said: There were a good few, however today isn't a day for nit picking and bickering, today is a day for celebrating 3 great points. True that is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Two clean sheets and everyone thinks we’re world beaters again. Personally don’t think swapping Westwood for Dawson has made too much of a difference. We’ve gone back to basics under Bullen and the players are enjoying a new manager bounce. That’s why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Wednesday_Jack said: Some of the OT clowns were actually questioning if Westwood still had it...it was never in doubt!!! Give your heads a wobble. back jos, back Dawson...he sees him every day he knows more than us!! Utter gonads and it’s been proved. How on Earth can you say that? He hadn't played for a year and his performances beforehand had been well below par. Unless you were privy to training sessions, it was impossible to say with any certainty either way whether he still "had it" or not. Fortunately, early signs are promising, but it'll be interesting to see what happens against an opposition that gets more shots away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontCallMeOwlCallYou Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 42 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Two clean sheets and everyone thinks we’re world beaters again. Personally don’t think swapping Westwood for Dawson has made too much of a difference. We’ve gone back to basics under Bullen and the players are enjoying a new manager bounce. That’s why. Who knows, but personally, I wouldn't underestimate the difference an experienced keeper as good as Westwood can make throughout a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 48 minutes ago, StudentOwl said: How on Earth can you say that? He hadn't played for a year and his performances beforehand had been well below par. Unless you were privy to training sessions, it was impossible to say with any certainty either way whether he still "had it" or not. Fortunately, early signs are promising, but it'll be interesting to see what happens against an opposition that gets more shots away Im staggered that you can even argue the point to be honest...his hands hadn't fallen off during his exile had they?? he’s still only 34, which for a keeper is nothing these days. He his still in his prime. as I have said on here many times, a keeper isn’t just a keeper. He’s part of the back four and in the last 2 games you can see the confidence returning to the back four and it comes from the keepers organisation etc... beyond that there is no doubting Westwood’s ability nor the fact he’s the best keeper at the club!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, SallyCinnamon said: Two clean sheets and everyone thinks we’re world beaters again. Personally don’t think swapping Westwood for Dawson has made too much of a difference. We’ve gone back to basics under Bullen and the players are enjoying a new manager bounce. That’s why. Are you joking or been serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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