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The blame for the mess we are in lies firmly at the door of Chansiri and Doyen .

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This is England. If he want's "Thai respect" he had better go back there. Didn't anyone warn him about south yorkshire fans?

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On 12/12/2018 at 20:35, james o connor said:

Safe hands , are you sniffing glue ? The blokes a liability . 

 

Respect is is earned and lost . He’s well and truly lost any respect he gained 

 Casual respect for an older person, a boss, someone vulnerable....whatever  in Thai culture isn't earned. The same as our culture. We give respect to people who have the power to affect our lives negatively, or who are older, or weaker. Whatever we feel inside we mask our feelings most of the time out of ordinary politeness. We are polite to our boss often because we value our job and we know our relative positions. You might despise a boss, but you would be a fool to show it. Chansiri wields enormous power at the club. He owns the club, anything anyone wants to say can be said politely with respect. It's common courtesy. Thai people hate confrontation, you will never get a Thai person to listen by shouting. If you genuinely want to change or affect our owners attitude we all need to show respect and make points logically and politely. Abuse simply won't work, so if you have the interests of our club at heart as you often claim, you need to moderate your language and try to make points without abuse or name calling. That's if you really want to see the club turn around, rather than just scoring points and demonstrating your  grasp of sarcasm and negative labelling.                                                                                                            

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12 hours ago, S36 OWL said:

 

I tend to agree mate . He has never changed the meeting to a bigger venue before . 

 

Exactly, and he wouldn't do that without a reason.

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58 minutes ago, swissmess said:

 Casual respect for an older person, a boss, someone vulnerable....whatever  in Thai culture isn't earned. The same as our culture. We give respect to people who have the power to affect our lives negatively, or who are older, or weaker. Whatever we feel inside we mask our feelings most of the time out of ordinary politeness. We are polite to our boss often because we value our job and we know our relative positions. You might despise a boss, but you would be a fool to show it. Chansiri wields enormous power at the club. He owns the club, anything anyone wants to say can be said politely with respect. It's common courtesy. Thai people hate confrontation, you will never get a Thai person to listen by shouting. If you genuinely want to change or affect our owners attitude we all need to show respect and make points logically and politely. Abuse simply won't work, so if you have the interests of our club at heart as you often claim, you need to moderate your language and try to make points without abuse or name calling. That's if you really want to see the club turn around, rather than just scoring points and demonstrating your  grasp of sarcasm and negative labelling.                                                                                                            

 

Fair points, and I don't advocate swearing.

 

But IMO Chansiri will attempt to deflect the blame from himself, and his usual target is the fan base.

 

With the best will in the world, bearing in mind what has happened - or hasn't happened with regard to Jos, and taking into consideration the sizeable financial outlay borne by the fans, it's inconceivable that if Chansiri tries to blame the fans then those present will hold their tongues.

 

He must have some sense, and surely even he must realize the way this meet is likely to go if he attempts to do that.

 

It will be like a red rag to a bull.

 

Let's face it, bearing in mind the current run of results, and the fact that Jos has remained in post throughout, it's likely to be hot-tempered even if he doesn't pass the buck.

 

That's why I, and others, think that he's holding something back.

 

Why else call this meeting, and, as S36 says, why increase the audience and inflame the situation even more?

 

I wouldn't mind betting that he'll announce something completely unexpected at the beginning to confound the audience and throw the points they were going to make into disarray. 

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16 minutes ago, Athelwulf said:

 

Exactly, and he wouldn't do that without a reason.

But what can that be?  A fan forum is not a decent place to announce the firing of a manager, or even really the appointment of a new one.

 

Not the time to announce intentions in the coming transfer window.

 

If the sale of the club, the new owner should organize, not the old.

 

Is he selling half the club for a shilling?

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Hamakua Pueo said:

But what can that be?  A fan forum is not a decent place to announce the firing of a manager, or even really the appointment of a new one.

 

Not the time to announce intentions in the coming transfer window.

 

If the sale of the club, the new owner should organize, not the old.

 

Is he selling half the club for a schilling?

 

 

Could be game changing :ph34r:

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7 minutes ago, Hamakua Pueo said:

But what can that be?  A fan forum is not a decent place to announce the firing of a manager, or even really the appointment of a new one.

 

Not the time to announce intentions in the coming transfer window.

 

If the sale of the club, the new owner should organize, not the old.

 

Is he selling half the club for a shilling?

 

 

 

That I don't know.

 

The logic is that if he's called this meeting it must be to his advantage.

 

Chansiri doesn't strike me as the kind of bloke who's going to sit there for how ever long and take stick from a large audience.

 

He doesn't like criticism, that much we know, and criticism he's going to get in spades.

 

He's already been confronted by angry fans after the Norwich fiasco, so it's inconceivable that he doesn't know what he's in for.

 

The points you make are completely rational, but Chansiri ain't your average chairman.

 

I just think he believes he can appease, or at least wrong-foot, the audience from the off.

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2 minutes ago, Athelwulf said:

 

That I don't know.

 

The logic is that if he's called this meeting it must be to his advantage.

 

Chansiri doesn't strike me as the kind of bloke who's going to sit there for how ever long and take stick from a large audience.

 

He doesn't like criticism, that much we know, and criticism he's going to get in spades.

 

He's already been confronted by angry fans after the Norwich fiasco, so it's inconceivable that he doesn't know what he's in for.

 

The points you make are completely rational, but Chansiri ain't your average chairman.

 

I just think he believes he can appease, or at least wrong-foot, the audience from the off.

Agree 100%, but that has me concerned, because it is a little hard to imagine what he has in mind. Any actual action would seem better handled by a statement than a forum. And he doesn't do forums well.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Athelwulf said:

 

That I don't know.

 

The logic is that if he's called this meeting it must be to his advantage.

 

Chansiri doesn't strike me as the kind of bloke who's going to sit there for how ever long and take stick from a large audience.

 

He doesn't like criticism, that much we know, and criticism he's going to get in spades.

 

He's already been confronted by angry fans after the Norwich fiasco, so it's inconceivable that he doesn't know what he's in for.

 

The points you make are completely rational, but Chansiri ain't your average chairman.

 

I just think he believes he can appease, or at least wrong-foot, the audience from the off.

That all depends if he has his performing seals in attendance.

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Nobody considering that respect works both ways and he's not going to come out full of respect for the fans, or at least i don't expect him to.

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4 minutes ago, hawksmore said:

Nobody considering that respect works both ways and he's not going to come out full of respect for the fans, or at least i don't expect him to.

 

Sad, but unfortunately true. Being respectful to us family children doesn't seem to be in his interpretation of what it means to be a family. 

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Got an idea, why don't we maybe wait and see what he actually has to say instead of winding one another up into a lynch-mob like frenzy before the said event therefore causing unnecessary premeditated friction and whipped up virtual hate before anyone's sat their fat arse on one of the seats and the guy's had a chance to open his mouth, maybe we will be shocked, maybe we will be angered, maybe we will be served the "same old" excuses and alleged fan blame, but let's at least be polite enough and open minded enough to see what he says first.....

 

FFS.....

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Show HIM respect? Right now he is mugging off every single fan of this club. He should start the meeting by apologizing to the supporters. 

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6 hours ago, S36 OWL said:

 

That just gives them a way of swerving issues they fell uncomfortable with.  

 

I agree with @rickygoo (hate it when that happens...lolIt must have structure or it’ll be mayhem with nothing to show. l feel they’ll dodge the questions they don’t want or feel they can answer regardless.

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I expect an atmosphere very similar the houses of parliament. Lots of jeering from the realists and plenty of agreeing from the Apologists. Pretty sure there will be sheep noises and maybe some cow mooing as well. I also hope DC is prepared for flatulence. Over 1,000 people in an indoor confined space, the central heating on full blast, after Xmas ales, isn't going to smell sweet.

 

The article below sums up what he's got coming.

 

In 1386 William Shaetyng, the inventor of the Ravens at the Tower of London, introduced the "Hubbub, murmury and generyl maundery Bill" which defined acceptable and unacceptable behaviour in the Houses of Parliament. Shouting, laughing, jeering etc were not only allowed but encouraged, while spitting, whistling and clapping were banned. It wasn't until 1715 that flatulence and "copying by noise or nature of" flatulence was banned following an incident where Charles Montagu soiled himself in the house and was greeted with farts and fart noises for months following the incident. It's from this incident that the very phrase "shits and giggles" originates.

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3 hours ago, steveger said:

Got an idea, why don't we maybe wait and see what he actually has to say instead of winding one another up into a lynch-mob like frenzy before the said event therefore causing unnecessary premeditated friction and whipped up virtual hate before anyone's sat their fat arse on one of the seats and the guy's had a chance to open his mouth, maybe we will be shocked, maybe we will be angered, maybe we will be served the "same old" excuses and alleged fan blame, but let's at least be polite enough and open minded enough to see what he says first.....

 

FFS.....

 

That advice is way too sensible to be followed by us owlstalkers. 

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8 hours ago, swissmess said:

 Casual respect for an older person, a boss, someone vulnerable....whatever  in Thai culture isn't earned. The same as our culture. We give respect to people who have the power to affect our lives negatively, or who are older, or weaker. Whatever we feel inside we mask our feelings most of the time out of ordinary politeness. We are polite to our boss often because we value our job and we know our relative positions. You might despise a boss, but you would be a fool to show it. Chansiri wields enormous power at the club. He owns the club, anything anyone wants to say can be said politely with respect. It's common courtesy. Thai people hate confrontation, you will never get a Thai person to listen by shouting. If you genuinely want to change or affect our owners attitude we all need to show respect and make points logically and politely. Abuse simply won't work, so if you have the interests of our club at heart as you often claim, you need to moderate your language and try to make points without abuse or name calling. That's if you really want to see the club turn around, rather than just scoring points and demonstrating your  grasp of sarcasm and negative labelling.                                                                                                            

I agree with your opinion although I have no idea of Thai culture.

You never get anywhere by shouting and bawling at someone. It usually has the opposite effect.

BUT. ...if a person cannot see or listen to reason and others opinions then no matter how an opinion is put then it will make no difference whatsoever.

Chansiri has HIS opinion and everybody else is wrong. It's like politics and religion and football. 

You support one side or the other. There is no midway . 

Until Chansiri goes the club is knackered.

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8 hours ago, swissmess said:

  That's if you really want to see the club turn around                                                                                                    

 

Sadly, given the past few years.... the hope and expectation of that with this fella at the helm, just isn't there.
And... this is Sheffield. Respect is earned the hard way.

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