HIGHERSTATE Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 8 hours ago, McRightSide said: He’s toast mmmm toast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 He had such a chance of being a cult hero being the odd character he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Concrete Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Philb125 said: To you maybe, not to the bookies. I think latest odds are 7/1 - lump on if you think we’re looking likely to go down. That’s incredible odds for a likely event. To give you an idea, Southampton are only 3/1 to beat arsenal at home. So they are more than twice as likely to beat a team unbeaten in over 20 despite having almost no wins all season and no strikers who can score. You dont have to be a football genius to know this team is relegation fodder. You can try bury your head in the sand all you want but I attend the games and witness a team that is shot of confidence, no tactical ideas, leaking goals for fun and scraping results against teams in the relegation zone, all this whilst the manager sits on the bench looking like a bored teenager waiting for the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 As a fan of fifty years and a season ticket holder for most of them, I don’t want to go anymore. I missed the Rotherham game, mainly due to work, but really wasn’t bothered. The “ football” this guyis producing is turgid. It’s Irvinesque. It’s horrible. IF DC wants to turn this around he has to now do two things as far as I’m concerned. Jo’s has to go. No doubt what so ever about that, and he needs to be replaced with someone who will get the players enjoying their football again. There are several obvious candidates. He needs to review the whole pricing structure of the club for next season. This is obviously such a contentious issue. I’ve stuck up for him on this, but now accept he’s got it wrong. Do those two things and the atmosphere will change over night. Carry on as he is and I’m afraid to say the fans will turn. Either by walking or vocalising their anger. Up to you Mr C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Great post by Plonk in my view. I particularly agree with his assessment: "The “ football” this guy is producing is turgid. It’s Irvinesque. It’s horrible." Unfortunately removing Irvine took too long also. Luhuhkay is finished at SWFC. , No manager ever recovers when they have lost the players and the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 7 hours ago, bigash_swfc said: Like I said in another post, I think with Bruce, without parachute payments. We'll be jumping from seasoned pro to seasoned pro. An expensive unsustainable roll of the dice each season, signing players like Curtis Davies 33, David Meyler 30, Tom Huddlestone 32 etc...(we've been here with Carlos) Giving Jos time could be key. As he's shown he's willing to give players like Fox, Dawson, Thorniley, Baker, Penney, Clare, Preston more opportunity than previously given. These are all players who view SWFC as the absolute "Pinnacle of their career" - giving their best years to the club. We only get players "best years" the Jos Way. We don't have the money Bruce paid for Kodija 15m, McCormack 13m, Chester 8m, Hogan 12m, Snodgrass 8m More and more I think about it, Bruce could make us alot worse than we currently are. According to your logic we would have never seen the likes of Waddle, Francis and Big Viv Anderson grace our side. Given the players you have named including would you swap Fox, Baker or Preston for the 3 experienced professionals I have named above all signed by us at 30+??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 9 hours ago, McRightSide said: He’s toast If he is, I would bet he would be the half done shall I pop it down again or not variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 9 hours ago, McRightSide said: He’s toast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philb125 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 58 minutes ago, Johnny Concrete said: You dont have to be a football genius to know this team is relegation fodder. You can try bury your head in the sand all you want but I attend the games and witness a team that is shot of confidence, no tactical ideas, leaking goals for fun and scraping results against teams in the relegation zone, all this whilst the manager sits on the bench looking like a bored teenager waiting for the bus. So are you taking the bookies generous 7/1 odds then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Plonk said: As a fan of fifty years and a season ticket holder for most of them, I don’t want to go anymore. I missed the Rotherham game, mainly due to work, but really wasn’t bothered. The “ football” this guyis producing is turgid. It’s Irvinesque. It’s horrible. IF DC wants to turn this around he has to now do two things as far as I’m concerned. Jo’s has to go. No doubt what so ever about that, and he needs to be replaced with someone who will get the players enjoying their football again. There are several obvious candidates. He needs to review the whole pricing structure of the club for next season. This is obviously such a contentious issue. I’ve stuck up for him on this, but now accept he’s got it wrong. Do those two things and the atmosphere will change over night. Carry on as he is and I’m afraid to say the fans will turn. Either by walking or vocalising their anger. Up to you Mr C. Quite a few have walked already mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York_Owl Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Philb125 said: Best post I’ve read in weeks. Weird that we are begging for a man manager to motivate over paid, underperforming players and the fans choice seem to be crying out for a guy that couldn’t get their star player to turn up for training. Current position as our manager is a thankless task; get rid of dead wood, bed in youth to form basis of squad, manage fragile players that you have to get through 25-30 games each by wrapping in cotton wool and rotating. Jos is doing it with minimal fuss, and whilst there may be better options to do it, they are few and far between. Im not against Jos continuing to do the dirty work, take the flak and handing off to someone once we’ve navigated our ways out of FFP worries. With a solid group of young robust players, many who are from our own academy. Needing a touch of class thrown in to bolster quality. The reason I would be all for Bruce coming in as manager is as much to do with a perceived change in tack from Chansiri rather than it being about Bruce himself e.g. selecting a manager based on proven championship experience rather than gambling on unknown, out of work, overseas managers, with no experience of English / championship football. Edited December 12, 2018 by York_Owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I have a feeling that we will beat Swansea and clueless DC and some “fans” will think everything is great and won’t even consider getting rid of Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimisticowl Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I’ve had conversations with many SWFC footballers in the past, and can assure you that club banter is completely out of bounds in my experience, if they were the news peddlers they would soon be ostracised by management and players alike. Don’t managers and prospective club representives have a habit of meeting on motorway service stations in order to minimise local press coverage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 6 hours ago, billyblack said: Tactics, defending, yes. Passion should come fron the players. Squad issues i land firmly with DC. Lack of options to improve or change the squad, unbalanced squad all lie with him. DC should fall on his sword Disagree in any line of work a manager is there to motivate there team to get performance and results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepitsteel89 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 17 hours ago, Bluesteel said: I can’t see how he can last that long even with the most stubborn owner. The negative atmosphere manifests because he’s still here. If the support is to return a change needs to be made. DC might have a whinge about it, but that’s the craic, that’s football. Its only been a few years since he took us over bless him give it 20 more hell be in a straightjacket somwhere rocking back and forth whispering "the fans, the fans did it" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosbyKitchens Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Philb125 said: So are you taking the bookies generous 7/1 odds then? Those odds are attractive, but the hope is that he will get fired and the next manager will be able to get enough out of the squad to stop up. I'll tell you one thing, we've taken 5 points from the last 9 games and we now play Swansea, Preston, Boro and West Brom. I'll happily wager that our odds will not be 7/1 by the end of December! I can only see us taking 2 points at most from those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Concrete Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, CrosbyKitchens said: Those odds are attractive, but the hope is that he will get fired and the next manager will be able to get enough out of the squad to stop up. I'll tell you one thing, we've taken 5 points from the last 9 games and we now play Swansea, Preston, Boro and West Brom. I'll happily wager that our odds will not be 7/1 by the end of December! I can only see us taking 2 points at most from those games. I see 1 point myself mate, and that's at home to Preston but in all honesty I could see us losing that. The away games not a prayer, WBA I could see us getting a hiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shezza Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 15 hours ago, bigash_swfc said: Like I said in another post, I think with Bruce, without parachute payments. We'll be jumping from seasoned pro to seasoned pro. An expensive unsustainable roll of the dice each season, signing players like Curtis Davies 33, David Meyler 30, Tom Huddlestone 32 etc...(we've been here with Carlos) Giving Jos time could be key. As he's shown he's willing to give players like Fox, Dawson, Thorniley, Baker, Penney, Clare, Preston more opportunity than previously given. These are all players who view SWFC as the absolute "Pinnacle of their career" - giving their best years to the club. We only get players "best years" the Jos Way. We don't have the money Bruce paid for Kodija 15m, McCormack 13m, Chester 8m, Hogan 12m, Snodgrass 8m More and more I think about it, Bruce could make us alot worse than we currently are. Bruce didn’t sign Kodija, Chester or McCormack, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Not looking forward to the pre match press conference this week, reckon Jos will be duller than ever. Only glimmer of hope I’m clinging on to is that it might be his last. Please please be his last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosbyKitchens Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Johnny Concrete said: I see 1 point myself mate, and that's at home to Preston but in all honesty I could see us losing that. The away games not a prayer, WBA I could see us getting a hiding. I'm counting on a dour 0-0 away draw against one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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