sonofbert2 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 19 minutes ago, room0035 said: The price of the pitch was knocked off the price he paid for the club so basically it was part of the deal. Have you seen how much it is to advertising on the scored board £3,000 a season for 2 x 15 seconds per game so if this is only match time and not the whole afternoon from say 1.30pm to 5pm. thats an estimated £540,000 in sponsorship just for the scoreboard (if they can find anyone stupid enough to pay it that is) He "pays" it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Just now, sonofbert2 said: He "pays" it. Not a chance he does even pay for his name on the seats, stands, shirt . Any other team in the league would be getting £3-5m in advertising and shirt and stadium sponsorship we are lucky if we get £1m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, room0035 said: Not a chance he does even pay for his name on the seats, stands, shirt . Any other team in the league would be getting £3-5m in advertising and shirt and stadium sponsorship we are lucky if we get £1m. There is an amount limit set on all the areas you mentioned based on commercial rates when owners put in funds using this method. He does and we are up to the limits permitted. If our commercial rates are high, which they are, but not ridiculously so then I'd guess he would be also offsetting further monies by "buying" further advertising and maybe corporate facilities. I'm pretty sure that DC's original thoughts were based on the "Leicester model" but it is no longer allowed and this route now has fixed limits linked to what outside companies pay for the same thing. https://www.google.es/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjDl677-oPfAhUi4YUKHeJMCT8QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Ffootball%2F2016%2Fapr%2F11%2Fleicester-city-finances-football-league-financial-fair-play-investigation&psig=AOvVaw2wUEZeD6Zhs5am2C9-VPwU&ust=1543936812453165 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: There is an amount limit set on all the areas you mentioned based on commercial rates when owners put in funds using this method. He does and we are up to the limits permitted. If our commercial rates are high, which they are, but not ridiculously so then I'd guess he would be also offsetting further monies by "buying" further advertising and maybe corporate facilities. I'm pretty sure that DC's original thoughts were based on the "Leicester model" but it is no longer allowed and this route now has fixed limits linked to what outside companies pay for the same thing. https://www.google.es/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjDl677-oPfAhUi4YUKHeJMCT8QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Ffootball%2F2016%2Fapr%2F11%2Fleicester-city-finances-football-league-financial-fair-play-investigation&psig=AOvVaw2wUEZeD6Zhs5am2C9-VPwU&ust=1543936812453165 Look the chairman needs to be more Savvy Stoke City owned by the Coates family who pay £8.4m a season for stadium naming rights and shirts sponsorship. The rules are meant to be same for everyone not pick and chose which to follow. We could be getting a lot more for advertising and sponsorship even if it is paid for by DC company. His problem is he has been stupid and instead of using a legitimate company he has set up a shell companies like D taxi's and come a cropper. Edited December 3, 2018 by room0035 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, room0035 said: Look the chairman needs to be more Savvy Stoke City owned by the Coates family who pay £8.4m a season for stadium naming rights and shirts sponsorship. The rules are meant to be same for everyone not pick and chose which to follow. We could be getting a lot more for advertising and sponsorship even if it is paid for by DC company. His problem is he has been stupid and instead of using a legitimate company he has set up a shell companies like D taxi's and come a cropper. The rules aren’t meant to be the same for everyone. The Prem has different ones and I assume the Stoke figures you’re quitting are from their premiership seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Owl Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, pgmetcalf said: I prefer the word “Misguided” In a President Nixon kinda way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggo Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I've been thinking a lot about this season and come to the conclusion that we may be going the same way as Charlton, https://sports.vice.com/en_uk/article/nzankz/we-spoke-to-the-charlton-fans-leading-a-revolt-against-their-clubs-owner, there are a lot of good articles online about the demise of Charlton, (this is the best IMO) and one thing that has struck me this season is the appearance of young pros, Dawson, Penney etc are they being given first team football so they can be sold on for a profit ? Rather than using all the experienced pros (the frozen ones) and trying to achieve a decent position/play-off place which is what supporters want. Reading about Charlton and seeing what is happening at SWFC starts to make sense especially when you look at the common denominator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 52 minutes ago, BRUCE LEE said: There is no conspiracy You’d assume KM was brought in to manage the club whilst it financially operates on a day to day basis at its bare minimum, in its current state As an outsider looking in, it would suggest we’re for sale and in the staggering phase of waiting for the right level of interest Definitely makes sense that KM was brought in to run things on a shoestring and navigate FFP (including possible player sales in Jan), and JL was brought in to keep us ticking over mid table without any funds whilst towing the party line until we can find a buyer for the club. Now that JL isn’t working out DC might not be able to kick the can down the street and be forced to make an actual decision, which means trying to attract the club to some other mug but one who can actually do the job. Big problem is the difference between what DC has put in and someone would be prepared to pay just aren’t going to match up... so what gives...??? *^^^this drama was filmed in front of a live studio audience^^^* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 53 minutes ago, OxonOwl said: Austrian entrepreneur Dietrich Mateschitz and Thai businessman Chaleo Yoovidhya both hold 49% the remaining 2% by Chaleo Yoovidhya's son. No idea if there is any connection to the Chansiris. Yeah just had a look, never knew red bull was invented in Thailand and sold out for big bucks. Can't find a connection, just thought I read somewhere one of the Chansiris was involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sonny said: Definitely makes sense that KM was brought in to run things on a shoestring and navigate FFP (including possible player sales in Jan), and JL was brought in to keep us ticking over mid table without any funds whilst towing the party line until we can find a buyer for the club. Now that JL isn’t working out DC might not be able to kick the can down the street and be forced to make an actual decision, which means trying to attract the club to some other mug but one who can actually do the job. Big problem is the difference between what DC has put in and someone would be prepared to pay just aren’t going to match up... so what gives...??? *^^^this drama was filmed in front of a live studio audience^^^* I think Jos was actually expecting some funds initially and that the club didn't lie when they said he would have some. The sale of Hooper to Derby didn't happen and the "soft embargo" imposed by the EFL caught others as well as us by surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRUCE LEE Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sonny said: Definitely makes sense that KM was brought in to run things on a shoestring and navigate FFP (including possible player sales in Jan), and JL was brought in to keep us ticking over mid table without any funds whilst towing the party line until we can find a buyer for the club. Now that JL isn’t working out DC might not be able to kick the can down the street and be forced to make an actual decision, which means trying to attract the club to some other mug but one who can actually do the job. Big problem is the difference between what DC has put in and someone would be prepared to pay just aren’t going to match up... so what gives...??? *^^^this drama was filmed in front of a live studio audience^^^* I dread to think of the potential asking price Chansiri would/has put on the club Unfortunately I think we’ll plod a little further down the street with Luhukay, hoping January bears fruit with player sales But when that doesn’t materialise due to low demand and high asking prices we will find ourselves well and truly goosed We all know Luhukay needs to go now, apart from the bloke that matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sonny said: Big problem is the difference between what DC has put in Never seen a known accurate figure, but somewhere between £55M - £90M?.. so far. Maybe he could just sell 51% ...New owners would have control and he (DC) would still have a chance of his dosh back but more importantly, his credibility. Of course even if an offer came he would have to be very careful who he sold to....so far he ain't been very good at trusting the right people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 33 minutes ago, Sonny said: The rules aren’t meant to be the same for everyone. The Prem has different ones and I assume the Stoke figures you’re quitting are from their premiership seasons. This season, DC problem is he uses Companies that don't exist. if he used say Thia ffod group he could put a few million in with Shirt sponsorship alone. Fulham Signed a 3 year deal with Dafabet £2m a season, Cardit while in the championship signed a £3m a season shirt deal with Air Maylasia (a company part owed by their chairman), Wolves signed a two year £15m a season shirt sponsorship deal with W88 https://www.expressandstar.com/news/voices/in-depth/2018/06/15/wolves-new-shirt-sponsor-is-w88---but-who-are-they/ We should be getting more than a few hundred thousand for shirt sponsorship in the 4th most watch league in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, room0035 said: This season, DC problem is he uses Companies that don't exist. if he used say Thia ffod group he could put a few million in with Shirt sponsorship alone. Fulham Signed a 3 year deal with Dafabet £2m a season, Cardit while in the championship signed a £3m a season shirt deal with Air Maylasia (a company part owed by their chairman), Wolves signed a two year £15m a season shirt sponsorship deal with W88 https://www.expressandstar.com/news/voices/in-depth/2018/06/15/wolves-new-shirt-sponsor-is-w88---but-who-are-they/ We should be getting more than a few hundred thousand for shirt sponsorship in the 4th most watch league in Europe. But that Stoke deal was a six year deal signed in 2016. How do you propose we get ‘more savvy’ like Stoke when signing a peek deal is clearly not an option for us? Edited December 3, 2018 by Sonny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 The Wolves link is for a deal they signed in the Prem. Different rules, different proposition. How do we emulate that deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) The Fulham Dafabet was signed in the Prem too. So they are in the prem, signing a prem deal, under prem FFP rules. What are we messing about at here. Edited December 3, 2018 by Sonny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Just now, Sonny said: But that Stoke deal was a six year deal signed in 2016. How do you propose we get ‘more savvy’ like Stoke when signing a peek deal is clearly not an option for us? DC is a business man does he actually own any business?????? If he does then get them to sign a £2m a season shirt sponsorship deal to sponsor the club. The shirts have shorts get a shorts front or back sponsor, the shirts have sleeves get a sleeve sponsor. The Hillsborough Stadium could become the John West Hillsborough stadium and for this they pay us money. Th corporate boxes could be sold to businesses at a price that still makes profit you know like Sheff Utd corporate boxes that cost £19,000 a year and still make profit. We could sell boards around the ground for companies to put their names on to then get them to give us money. Or we could sign an exclusive deal with a drinks firm such as Carlsberg or a betting agency to offer the services in the ground where you guest it they pay us money to do so. We have 20,000-25,000 people in a stadium 23 times in a season yet we as a club don't tried to sell anyone anything other than a ticket. I think other football clubs have being doing this for years so its not a radical idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I’m not really interested in discussing all that in the wrong thread. Obviously you’re not interested in any actual facts either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sonny said: The Fulham Dafabet was signed in the Prem too. So they are in the prem, signing a prem deal, under prem FFP rules. What are we messing about at here. Cardiff £3m a season was signed in the championship you don't get as much as the premiership deals but you get more than what we are getting. We keep being told we are in the 4th best watch league in Europe then under sell us because we are not premier league teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, room0035 said: This season, DC problem is he uses Companies that don't exist. if he used say Thia ffod group he could put a few million in with Shirt sponsorship alone. Fulham Signed a 3 year deal with Dafabet £2m a season, Cardit while in the championship signed a £3m a season shirt deal with Air Maylasia (a company part owed by their chairman), Wolves signed a two year £15m a season shirt sponsorship deal with W88 https://www.expressandstar.com/news/voices/in-depth/2018/06/15/wolves-new-shirt-sponsor-is-w88---but-who-are-they/ We should be getting more than a few hundred thousand for shirt sponsorship in the 4th most watch league in Europe. All those deals were signed ahead of this season, Fulham's is 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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