Rev Owl Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 2 hours ago, oldishowl said: There are always people who will come in . Somebody like Holloway would be up here in a flash if offered it . His enthusiasm , man management skills and knowledge would improve us immediately. Players would love coming in each day which I doubt they are at the moment. Is he a world beater, nope. Is he better than what we have. Yes I like Ian Holloway's personality and how he presents himself. On what grounds is he better than Jos? His career win ratio is 36% Jos career win ratio is 40.5%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, sherlyegg said: Why are his hands tied?...he foooks about too much. Plays defensive shyte football, makes a bolllllax of substitutions. He's fell out with some for whatever reason. Nah he's hopeless. of course his hands are tied he cant sign any players so as to juggle with what he inherited …..the rest of your post is your opinion which I respect but don't hold to ….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Horse Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Without a doubt there are massive problems here. For me, the root of the poison is Paxo and until Chansiri dumps him then the malaise will continue. However, I will not resign myself to the 'nobody else could do any better under the circumstances' train of thought and start to accept relegation. We need to stay up. Sod the long term plan right now. Deal with that next summer. Warnock showed what a new manager can do with both Rotherham and Cardiff. They were down and out. We need similar - a short term shot in the arm to give us the strength to survive this season cos I can't see Jos doing it. Not won at home since August. There are others who could do what Warnock did. Say NO to accepting this crap and we'll deal with Paxo later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Owl Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Geosword said: There are others who could do what Warnock did. Who? Can everybody stop saying there are other better people without actually naming a realistic candidate. Otherwise it makes it difficult to accept your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughdowd Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I was criticised on here way back after we beat Bristol away and went 6th... I said get Mick McCarthy in asap because we were lucky to be 6th...27 people disagreed!!!....Jos is F##king useless... openly admits he knew nothing about the championship before he came .....he wasn’t dealt a bad hand ... he just can’t motivate players .......or fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Avon barksdale said: Yeah and in the form he's in and in this inflated market is that unfeasable? I'm not saying he's worth it more like 10-12, but he certainly isn't if he's a league one player. Never has football been so erractic things change so quickly but I just don't see it happening under Jos. I think we will find out in January Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Ronnie Starling said: Unfortunately this is real football and not Football Manager and we cant decide to restart the game if we don't like how the results are going. I don't know all the ins and outs of what going off at the club, who is injured, what the situation is contacturally but there are many people at our club who should take a long hard look at themselves. Starting with the players They fight like their lives depend on it at the lane, then the very next game they're back to not giving a damn Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Horse Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, Rev Owl said: Who? Can everybody stop saying there are other better people without actually naming a realistic candidate. Otherwise it makes it difficult to accept your point. Jokanovic - championship promotion on his CV. Knows the league. Bruce - championship promotion on his CV. Knows the league. Holloway - championship promotion on his CV. Knows the league. It could be said they wouldn't come under the current circumstances but look at Leeds under Celino - basket club but kept getting the big names cos they were still a draw for anyone wanting to make a name for themselves. We are also a lure. Still. Case in point - McCarthy was hinting strong enough that he'd take us on but that ship has sailed. As much as I'd love to keep Jos and see what he could do in the long term, we just don't have that luxury. Any one of the above would command instant respect from the players and it would be a safe bet that they'd get an instant response. But as I said, it's all pretty moot with Paxo here as we'll just end up with some other random who's never watched a second of championship football in his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Owl Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Geosword said: Jokanovic - championship promotion on his CV. Knows the league. Bruce - championship promotion on his CV. Knows the league. Holloway - championship promotion on his CV. Knows the league. It could be said they wouldn't come under the current circumstances but look at Leeds under Celino - basket club but kept getting the big names cos they were still a draw for anyone wanting to make a name for themselves. We are also a lure. Still. Case in point - McCarthy was hinting strong enough that he'd take us on but that ship has sailed. As much as I'd love to keep Jos and see what he could do in the long term, we just don't have that luxury. Any one of the above would command instant respect from the players and it would be a safe bet that they'd get an instant response. But as I said, it's all pretty moot with Paxo here as we'll just end up with some other random who's never watched a second of championship football in his life. Thank you for moving the debate on. I would go with any of those. However as you said whether they would be invited to take the place and / or take the job is the key. Edited November 25, 2018 by Rev Owl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Down South Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Avon barksdale said: Some interesting views and opinions , all I know is football can change very quickly. Reach looked a waste of money for many months all of a sudden if he keeps scoring , selling him could change everything financially. Huddersfield , Cardiff and the pigs are all examples of how a manager can turn things around so quickly. Do I trust chansiri to appoint one, hell no. But sleepwalking to league one ain't gonna solve anything. Its the hope that kills you. UTO Only if you have absolutely no idea what a decent footballer looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Horse Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rev Owl said: Thank you for moving the debate on. I would go with any of those. However as you said whether they would be invited to take the place and / or take the job is the key. Indeed! We're all just fed up and want to see us competing at the top. Everyone has an opinion and it's great that these forums let us vent them but the only opinion that can alter things is that of Chansiri. I might just hibernate and see where we're at in May! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avon barksdale Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 38 minutes ago, Rev Owl said: Who? Can everybody stop saying there are other better people without actually naming a realistic candidate. Otherwise it makes it difficult to accept your point. Jokanovic, Bruce, Moyes ,Holloway, Alexander, Jackett are all realistic candidates as well as being unrealistic as we know our esteemed leader will probably not heard of them let alone employ them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avon barksdale Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, Steve Down South said: Only if you have absolutely no idea what a decent footballer looks like. Maybe waste of money was harsh but he's worth a hell of lot more now than he was last season, was the point i was making 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Down South Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, Avon barksdale said: Jokanovic, Bruce, Moyes ,Holloway, Alexander, Jackett are all realistic candidates as well as being unrealistic as we know our esteemed leader will probably not heard of them let alone employ them. I can't imagine first 3 on list being interested, and don't think Alexander has done anything to suggest he's ready for job, but Jackett might not be a bad shout to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiMark Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 4 hours ago, ReadingOwl said: Until the Club comes clean - and, has a mission statement and a plan, including financial long term stability; Nobody of any merit. Its just shuffling the deck chairs - whilst the band keeps playing. A complete new broom is needed - not a hand brush and pan. Lets hope in the next steering meeting that chansiri will come clean and tell the selected few what it is only for them to be told not to tell anyone. The term comady club is exactly what we are no kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: Starting with the players They fight like their lives depend on it at the lane, then the very next game they're back to not giving a damn i thought they gave there all yesterday ……why do you think they didn't ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxine Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I think we are buggered who ever is manager while ever we have chansiri in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 5 hours ago, torryowl said: but chansiri said he still as the money to spend if allowed to do so …... At the risk of being whooshed that is the problem. The Chairman's overspent on fess and wages by a huge amount (apparently in the ridiculously naive belief that "we have friends") so there has to be a correction. Trouble is all the high earners are still here bar Rhodes (and who knows we may still be paying some of his wages), so until they have moved out and for FFP purposes the wages etc have dropped off the 3 year accounting period we are still stuffed. It's only then that we will be able to start a proper rebuild, in the meantime we are going to have a season (maybe more) flirting with relegation. Let's hope it's only flirting with it. Either way getting a new manager doesn't change the financial situation one iota in fact with compensation (for Jos and possibly the new guy if we take someone contracted elsewhere) it could make it considerably worse and the other financial constraints will still be there. Could anyone handle it or would they even want to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Geosword said: Jokanovic - championship promotion on his CV. Knows the league. Bruce - championship promotion on his CV. Knows the league. Holloway - championship promotion on his CV. Knows the league. It could be said they wouldn't come under the current circumstances but look at Leeds under Celino - basket club but kept getting the big names cos they were still a draw for anyone wanting to make a name for themselves. We are also a lure. Still. Case in point - McCarthy was hinting strong enough that he'd take us on but that ship has sailed. As much as I'd love to keep Jos and see what he could do in the long term, we just don't have that luxury. Any one of the above would command instant respect from the players and it would be a safe bet that they'd get an instant response. But as I said, it's all pretty moot with Paxo here as we'll just end up with some other random who's never watched a second of championship football in his life. Jokanovic had money to spend Bruce effectively walked out of Hull because of the money situation Think you can safely rule both of them out given our circumstances. Holloway, maybe but when was the last time he actually did something with a team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owler66 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 10 hours ago, adelphi1867 said: In the last 18 years we have had , 12 MANAGERS! Ffs! that's an average of just over 18 months each that has worked out really well hasn't it, and spent most of that time in the lower half of the championship. Where is the evidence that chopping and changing the manager every 18 months works?. That's probably because we've picked rubbish managers in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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