tarn owl Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Just now, swfctc1 said: Penny is definitely the best left back at the club by far ,but what does Jos do !!! Play him in every position apart from LB , when Penny first came into the team at LB he’s was very good , got shifted all over and his displays fell away a tad Carlos sent him on loan to Mansfield and never gave him a shot at Left back and signed Wiggins instead. I think i prefer the Jos approach. Penney is young and trying different positions will help him grow. Lee was a right back when we signed him, Palmer came through as a central midfielder, sometimes positions do change. We have to give Jos and the youngsters time to get things right. Just bringing in a new regime doesn't work for the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, tarn owl said: He has 3 youngsters, 1 a keeper so he tells the older one he can leave, that's pretty good blending because he played Dawson in the cup last year to check he was ready. And he is. Yes Westwood is great and was great, but good teams move on older players to bring through youth. Thorniley, Loovens leaves, Thorniley plays, he brings in Hector for experience for options which will help Thorniley. Penney has just outplayed every left back at the club, no blending needed. He still has a spine of a team in Lees, Bannan and Fletcher. I think he has done well at blending youth and experience. It is not Jos's fault that westwood couldn't find a move, that the club was under embargo, that Hooper and Lee are never fit, that we wasted millions on rhodes, van aken and Abdi and they were bad when he arrived and are still bad. That Jones and Boyd were signed, again terrible contracts and deals. I think Jos got some stuff wrong, i think we were tactically set up wrong for Norwich and QPR, I think he needs to find a better home for Reach in the team to allow his development. Apart from that i think he has done well. I know we aren't at the top of the league but we can't expect that with embargos and the complete mess that Jos took over in January. We will go on losing runs again, do we sack a manager everytime? Derby and Bolton at home. Lets see what happens. With 2 weeks he might have just got something going. Results suggest he hasn’t found the blend. All the things you say have substance. The three youngsters have shown they are capable of regular league football, and yes, Penney is the best left back we’ve had in a good while. Introducing those, certainly Thorniley and Penney, have revitalised the squad. Its how he’s managed the rest of the squad, that gets me worried. We have plenty of talent at our disposal, but the coach has failed to utilise it. Where is the evidence that he has forged a competitive, or even an entertaining side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarn owl Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Results suggest he hasn’t found the blend. All the things you say have substance. The three youngsters have shown they are capable of regular league football, and yes, Penney is the best left back we’ve had in a good while. Introducing those, certainly Thorniley and Penney, have revitalised the squad. Its how he’s managed the rest of the squad, that gets me worried. We have plenty of talent at our disposal, but the coach has failed to utilise it. Where is the evidence that he has forged a competitive, or even an entertaining side? before the bad run we were 6th. We were competitive and got some impressive wins. Yes we have had a bad run, but we just need a good run at the right time. Being 6th in November doesn't matter, it does in May. As for entertaining? Who on the bench if introduced would make us entertaining? We have not been entertaining since Di Canio so that would be the work of Pep to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, tarn owl said: before the bad run we were 6th. We were competitive and got some impressive wins. Yes we have had a bad run, but we just need a good run at the right time. Being 6th in November doesn't matter, it does in May. As for entertaining? Who on the bench if introduced would make us entertaining? We have not been entertaining since Di Canio so that would be the work of Pep to do that. Well Carlos’s first season, certainly was, though obviously not his second. To be fair, we were 6th, but in the main, performances never merited it. We have players who could be utilised in a more positive way, ie Bannan, Reach and Forestieri. Others such as Matias and Joao spend too much time in areas, where their pace is easily negated. Jos spends to much time worrying about our opponents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Bloke ex footballer on talksport or 5 live or summat (Sorry was half asleep, heard Sheffield wednesday)...said... He couldn't really see Jokanavik going to a club outside the top half of the championship....Unless it was Stoke or Sheffield Wednesday..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earlsfieldowl Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 What he will be able to do with a team that is lower Champ/L1 and the remaining quality players persistently unavailable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Earlsfieldowl said: What he will be able to do with a team that is lower Champ/L1 and the remaining quality players persistently unavailable? I presume he would ascertain his best side and then pick it...keep it, and have a system. Jos isn't helped by whats gone on before, Every player starts with a clean slate...(I was gonna put sheet lol)......It might be the only way forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 hours ago, tarn owl said: We will go on losing runs again, do we sack a manager everytime? Think most can put up with a shortish losing run, the problem is the way you lose. Like no intention of trying to win, yep he makes soundbites we try to win all games...but that's balllax and most can see it. Crazy defensive line ups when we are shyte at defending, making substitutions when no need and not making substitutions when needed. Must admit though, not sure it's all his fault. But on style alone its turgid boring crapola football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 hours ago, tarn owl said: Good manager, proven track record. Wrong time though, we need to stick with a plan rather than abandoning the re build at the 1st sign of trouble. Stick with Jos and bring through the youth and remove the deadwood and big contracts. Jokanovic would have been perfect when chansiri 1st arrived. Not now. I would sooner have someone proven at this level to oversee the rebuild and would be more than comfortable if that man was Jokanovic. 2 promotions in recent years under his belt tells us all we need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, sherlyegg said: Think most can put up with a shortish losing run, the problem is the way you lose. Like no intention of trying to win, yep he makes soundbites we try to win all games...but that's balllax and most can see it. Crazy defensive line ups when we are shyte at defending, making substitutions when no need and not making substitutions when needed. Must admit though, not sure it's all his fault. But on style alone its turgid boring crapola football Yes quite right, and the fact that, there’s no semblence of any sort of a plan, after nearly a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, sherlyegg said: Think most can put up with a shortish losing run, the problem is the way you lose. Like no intention of trying to win, yep he makes soundbites we try to win all games...but that's balllax and most can see it. Crazy defensive line ups when we are shyte at defending, making substitutions when no need and not making substitutions when needed. Must admit though, not sure it's all his fault. But on style alone its turgid boring crapola football Jos needs certain types of players to execute what he is trying to do in matches especially when we attack. Matias is a major lose for us, and it why we have seen Penney further up the pitch as he is trying to get him to play a similar role, but he can't. We will be alot better when Matias and certain other attacking players are back. But without them to execute his plans going forward we look utterly lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, pazowl55 said: Jos needs certain types of players to execute what he is trying to do in matches especially when we attack. Matias is a major lose for us, and it why we have seen Penney further up the pitch as he is trying to get him to play a similar role, but he can't. We will be alot better when Matias and certain other attacking players are back. But without them to execute his plans going forward we look utterly lost. Well he’s ready now, so hopefully we will see a more attacking approach against Derby County Not totally given up on old Jos, but there will have to be a dramatic turn around over these next couple of games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Well he’s ready now, so hopefully we will see a more attacking approach against Derby County Not totally given up on old Jos, but there will have to be a dramatic turn around over these next couple of games 3 at the back and Matias upfront then we have half a chance. You could see In the 20 odd mins he got against United that he brings so much energy to our attacking play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earlsfieldowl Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Blue and white said: I would sooner have someone proven at this level to oversee the rebuild and would be more than comfortable if that man was Jokanovic. 2 promotions in recent years under his belt tells us all we need to know. The conditions to manage here are light years from those as Watford and Fulham. I don’t think changing the manager at this time will help to any great degree - The new man in will have the same to work with. McCarthy is the only man i’d make an exception. We just have to plough through this, get shot of all the dead wood (all of it - no sentimental retentions) at the end of the season and start again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 hours ago, gurujuan said: Results suggest he hasn’t found the blend. All the things you say have substance. The three youngsters have shown they are capable of regular league football, and yes, Penney is the best left back we’ve had in a good while. Introducing those, certainly Thorniley and Penney, have revitalised the squad. Its how he’s managed the rest of the squad, that gets me worried. We have plenty of talent at our disposal, but the coach has failed to utilise it. Where is the evidence that he has forged a competitive, or even an entertaining side? He hasn't...there is no evidence apart the fact he's doing just enough to keep us up at face value. He's not helped by the owner putting a premium on the prices to watch it. It's like one of those Christmas jamborees that fly by nights put on with a grotto and it makes the news...the elves always get the blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, gurujuan said: Yes quite right, and the fact that, there’s no semblence of any sort of a plan, after nearly a year There is a plan We are in it ... You really don't want to believe it though do you ?... Are you hoping eventually someone tells you it's going to be marshmallows on top of your hot chocolate? It's builders tea no milk or sugar for now on ...... **I will let you have a drop of carnation in it... my treat ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls7 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Shame we can't get him in before somebody else does. I don't think he would touch the job and money would be a massive issue shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocksyuto Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Would love him at Wednesday but he would probably not do as good as a random nobody with zero English management experience in an interview so wouldn’t happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earlsfieldowl Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 (edited) He has had success at this level so he won’t be a contender Edited November 24, 2018 by Earlsfieldowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIPPS_S.W.F.C Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Was talking to a couple of Ffc fans other day and they are guttered like most of them they said he'd gone...Cant see it happening tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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