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5 hours ago, gypsyowl said:

I agree with Abdi been left out completely as he's just a waste of space

 

but the others should always be in the squad, I'd actually start Westwood, Boyd & Hutch tomorrow

 

Abdi Westwood and Hutch should be in the squad for me. 

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6 minutes ago, prowl said:

Is Jos saying there is no way he is going to play Westwood, Hutchinson, Abdi, Jones, Boyd etc, in any circumstances? Or is he saying he will play them if they conform to some standard he expects of them in respect of training , discipline or something else?

 

If it's the former we would be better paying off their contracts and getting them out of the club. It can't be good having a group of disaffected players turning up every day and spreading ill feeling around the place. If they have no future at the club it would be better to clear the decks. Financially it makes no difference we will pay the same amount either way.

 

If it's the latter maybe at some stage they will conform but I doubt it. With only a few months left on their contracts they might as well just keep taking the money.

Very good questions. My problem is that despite his fieriness, Westwood was a player I'd want to go see to admire, even more than FF, whose exaggeration of injury was often, and still will look,  false even though he has had his fair share of injustice from referees

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I can understand, but don't agree with, people's furore over Westwood not playing. The last time we saw Westwood (which was flippingyonks ago, and well before Luhukay was here) he was deemed one of the best keepers in the division (although clearly deteriorating). But, I recognise than when a player isn't playing, they often get better (in fans eyes), and while ever we continue to concede goals at a rate of knots (despite Dawson not the culprit for that), a call to change the rookie keeper for an experienced keeper will be there. 

 

Fair enough. But I will say...Kieran Westwood is 34 years old, and hasn't played a competitive game of football for 14 months. What gives fans the confidence (and audacity) to claim that this injury prone, ageing keeper with no recent football will actually improve things? Serious question? Because, I just don't see it. 

 

Anyway...the rest...Hutchinson seems to have become a world beater over the past few days...quite conveniently after a few losses and a rumoured public outburst. Is this the same Hutchinson whose been a liability for us since the moment he signed? Whether it be injury or discipline? The same Sam Hutchinson who has played three games this season, and two of those games were our amongst the worst of the campaign? He was absolutely woeful at Wigan, and at fault for the goal in a terrible first half display at Brentford.

 

It's honestly no wonder Luhukay doesn't play him. He's another who simply hasn't been fit enough or good enough. Surely it's these type of players the club needs to get rid of. 

 

And as for Boyd, Abdi and Jones...don't get me started. This forum has been nothing but scandelously critical of these three players. Boyd has looked liked he's towing a caravan since the moment he signed, and put in the most inept display of the season in the cup game at Sunderland. Abdi is, without been too harsh, a complete waste of space. Both Boyd and Abdi are paid an absolute fortune, and simply haven't been fit enough nor good enough. 

 

Jones, I actually feel could play a role in this team, but this forum, in the past, have given him nothing but dog's abuse. Why all of a sudden is he the saviour?

 

But these five players all have a common trend...they are paid a fortune, and haven't either been reliable enough, fit enough or good enough (all a combination of the three). Instead of aiming all your anger at a manager having to manage the situation, perhaps consider what these players would actually contribute. And if recent history is to go by...the answer is not a lot. 

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5 hours ago, gypsyowl said:

I agree with Abdi been left out completely as he's just a waste of space

 

but the others should always be in the squad, I'd actually start Westwood, Boyd & Hutch tomorrow

What if he had a spate of injuries ? 

We don't have the quality in depth to be competitive.

If he's come out and said that they're done, he's a fool. 

Then again I've thought he's not playing with a full deck since Bristol away last season.

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43 minutes ago, Philb125 said:

 

I was asked who I’d choose if my life depended on it. I’d not choose Westwood. I don’t know if he can get through 90 mins of championship football, let alone play to the standards he was once able to. 

 

So i put it back to you. Would you bet your life on a known entity or a fond memory. 

I certainly wouldn’t pick the keeper who’s got the second highest goal conceded in the division. 

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2 minutes ago, frastheowl said:

 

I can understand, but don't agree with, people's furore over Westwood not playing. The last time we saw Westwood (which was flippingyonks ago, and well before Luhukay was here) he was deemed one of the best keepers in the division (although clearly deteriorating). But, I recognise than when a player isn't playing, they often get better (in fans eyes), and while ever we continue to concede goals at a rate of knots (despite Dawson not the culprit for that), a call to change the rookie keeper for an experienced keeper will be there. 

 

Fair enough. But I will say...Kieran Westwood is 34 years old, and hasn't played a competitive game of football for 14 months. What gives fans the confidence (and audacity) to claim that this injury prone, ageing keeper with no recent football will actually improve things? Serious question? Because, I just don't see it. 

 

Anyway...the rest...Hutchinson seems to have become a world beater over the past few days...quite conveniently after a few losses and a rumoured public outburst. Is this the same Hutchinson whose been a liability for us since the moment he signed? Whether it be injury or discipline? The same Sam Hutchinson who has played three games this season, and two of those games were our amongst the worst of the campaign? He was absolutely woeful at Wigan, and at fault for the goal in a terrible first half display at Brentford.

 

It's honestly no wonder Luhukay doesn't play him. He's another who simply hasn't been fit enough or good enough. Surely it's these type of players the club needs to get rid of. 

 

And as for Boyd, Abdi and Jones...don't get me started. This forum has been nothing but scandelously critical of these three players. Boyd has looked liked he's towing a caravan since the moment he signed, and put in the most inept display of the season in the cup game at Sunderland. Abdi is, without been too harsh, a complete waste of space. Both Boyd and Abdi are paid an absolute fortune, and simply haven't been fit enough nor good enough. 

 

Jones, I actually feel could play a role in this team, but this forum, in the past, have given him nothing but dog's abuse. Why all of a sudden is he the saviour?

 

But these five players all have a common trend...they are paid a fortune, and haven't either been reliable enough, fit enough or good enough (all a combination of the three). Instead of aiming all your anger at a manager having to manage the situation, perhaps consider what these players would actually contribute. And if recent history is to go by...the answer is not a lot. 

 

Your sense, logic and way with words is wasted here. Top post!!! 

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If Jos it still here next season he is going to have one hell of a rebuilding job on his hands. He has had next to no funds to bring players in so far but haven’t been massively impressed with JO and Pessy, Hector has looked good though. I don’t know if Jos is the man to take is forward, his tactics and decisions at the minute are baffling at times. 

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Just now, kingsidney said:

I certainly wouldn’t pick the keeper who’s got the second highest goal conceded in the division. 

 

So who would you pick? A player you’ve not seen play football in over a year? 

 

I lack your faith, let’s see who Westwood goes to next and how he fairs. I’m predicting he’s the GK equivalent of Lewis Mcgugan. 

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6 minutes ago, frastheowl said:

But these five players all have a common trend...they are paid a fortune, and haven't either been reliable enough, fit enough or good enough (all a combination of the three). Instead of aiming all your anger at a manager having to manage the situation, perhaps consider what these players would actually contribute. And if recent history is to go by...the answer is not a lot. 

 

People's memory is very short, and football fans have an even shorter memory.

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I've no problem playing the youngsters but clearly they are not good enough for the championship yet and need to go out on loan.

Jos the dross out.

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10 minutes ago, Philb125 said:

 

So who would you pick? A player you’ve not seen play football in over a year? 

 

I lack your faith, let’s see who Westwood goes to next and how he fairs. I’m predicting he’s the GK equivalent of Lewis Mcgugan. 

 

How long do we persist with a keeper that hasn’t kept a clean sheet in 15 or so games? A keeper that imo doesn’t give an already fragile defence any confidence? Do we have anything to lose by giving Westwood or Wildsmith a run out, defensively can things be much worse than they are now!?! Do we try and sign a new keeper in January? 

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3 minutes ago, terryowl said:

I've no problem playing the youngsters but clearly they are not good enough for the championship

 

and yet here they are playing in the Championship

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1 minute ago, WalthamOwl said:

 

How long do we persist with a keeper that hasn’t kept a clean sheet in 15 or so games? A keeper that imo doesn’t give an already fragile defence any confidence? Do we try and sign a new keeper in January? 

 

I’d change the defence before I changed the keeper. Also I’d consider a more combative/hardworking midfield. 

 

The future is Dawson/Wildsmith so that’s who is in goals. 

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2 hours ago, Philb125 said:

 

Answer 2:4 

 

Westweod wasn’t the player last season that we fondly remember, this season he’s probably worse still. 

 

We need to face he was the past and every day that passes he gets worse while those replacing him get better. 

Have you seen Dawson flapping about in goal?? He's getting worse because his confidence is shot. That's not good management. It's stupidity. 

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4 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said:

 

and yet here they are playing in the Championship

 

Yes and they have shown that they are currently not good enough.

look at the results and performances.

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Clueless

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Jos is laying the groundwork for next season. He'll know all about the young players, andso know where he needs to strengthen. 

I wonder if his comment about back-ups means the frozen-outs would be asked to help save us from relegation if that's where the season

headed? I think he's here for the long haul.

 

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2 minutes ago, trumbullowl said:

Jos is laying the groundwork for next season. He'll know all about the young players, andso know where he needs to strengthen. 

I wonder if his comment about back-ups means the frozen-outs would be asked to help save us from relegation if that's where the season

headed? I think he's here for the long haul.

 

Good and good for him i say. We need a long term plan and he takes no crap. Sounds perfect. People wanted clarity and they got it. Its his way or dont bother. I applaud the man.

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I think you are spot on as it's heading that way.

If we can get 4 points from next 2 games going into int break and get Marco & FF back that should steady situation .

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20 minutes ago, stanningtonowl said:

Have you seen Dawson flapping about in goal?? He's getting worse because his confidence is shot. That's not good management. It's stupidity. 

Supporting him may help

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