debram Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, room0035 said: Its not bad for a player that cost us nothing but it depends if the money disappears into the Chansiri financial black hole or is used to improve the team. Will probably be lost in the black hole, ime sure any signings will be loan deals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Owl Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, adelphi1867 said: Yes I cam remember you and other posters telling us that 3 years ago. Delighted that you're a happy bunny with the 'improvement' of the squad year on year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw pete Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, OxonOwl said: No. That doesn't get round FFP/P&S Seems to have worked for Villa, losing 8 million a month unable to pay their tax bills, Following their take over everything is now all financial harmony, new manager and buying new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, outlaw pete said: Seems to have worked for Villa, losing 8 million a month unable to pay their tax bills, Following their take over everything is now all financial harmony, new manager and buying new players. They had problems with having no money (or no money getting out of China or wherever), they didn't have trouble with FFP/P&S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bark1062 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Bye Barry.....close the gate when you go.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlofOliveGrove Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Like the idea of getting a decent amount in for Bannan and Reach and staving off FFP. I just can't shake the thought of what we essentially become without our best players...A lower-mid table side with not much chance of pushing for the play offs anytime in the near future. Selling is sensible but it's not really showing immediate "aggressive intent". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 £10m money up front, NOT on the tick. ff out, westwood , and anybody else we can sell for a 'worthy' price, and get this ffp monkey off our back. get a proper championship manager in, threepenny bit head, colin, type who knows the game, and doesn't need £30m+ to build a side. start wearing the shirt with passion and pride and not just playing for the paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw pete Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, OxonOwl said: They had problems with having no money (or no money getting out of China or wherever), they didn't have trouble with FFP/P&S So losing 8 million a month is not a problem with FFP/P&S providing you have a rich Chairman who can pay the bills out of his own pocket.. HMCR did not see it that way.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Essix Blue said: I’d rather lose BB than Reach I'd prob agree I think there's a discussion to be had about whether in the long run we'd be better off without BB The present love in for him is understandable and i like him too but perhaps just imo I think when he plays we rely on him too much and become too predictable and easy to stifle we need to increase the size of our midfield a bit and add steel as well as creativity if we got a fair chunk for him I would say ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s.armo Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 First names on the team sheet should be FF and BB. What has Reach really done a couple of wonder goals recently. For me cant tackle cant beat a man and neshes 50 50s too much. Cash in on him if we can get good money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, outlaw pete said: So losing 8 million a month is not a problem with FFP/P&S providing you have a rich Chairman who can pay the bills out of his own pocket.. HMCR did not see it that way.. Losing £8m a month will catch up with you in time as far as FFP/P&S is concerned but having had parachute payments and not been out of the premier league very long, they have not yet breached FFP/P&S. Having no money and not paying your tax bill, well that does annoy HMRC. The problem was that the rich chairman couldn't get his money out of his home country to pay the bills. New investors sorted that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 hours ago, room0035 said: To adhere to the FFP we need about another £5m this season everything else is a bonus so yes it can be used to buy new players just not all of it. We could get a decent standard loan from the premier league to cover Bannan or we could promote from within after all thats the Jos way is it not players 19-23 years old. Hope you're right Let's see what the next set of accounts say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw pete Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, OxonOwl said: Losing £8m a month will catch up with you in time as far as FFP/P&S is concerned but having had parachute payments and not been out of the premier league very long, they have not yet breached FFP/P&S. Having no money and not paying your tax bill, well that does annoy HMRC. The problem was that the rich chairman couldn't get his money out of his home country to pay the bills. New investors sorted that. If Villa need 8million a month transferring from China because they have no cash in the bank, then their profit and loss account will show they are trading at a loss.. The parachute payment has gone on over paid crocks,sounds familiar ! The Villa fans will tell you who they are.. I don’t see how selling the club allows you to avoid FFP/P&S rules.. Or is there one rule for SWFC and another rule for other clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, outlaw pete said: If Villa need 8million a month transferring from China because they have no cash in the bank, then their profit and loss account will show they are trading at a loss.. The parachute payment has gone on over paid crocks,sounds familiar ! The Villa fans will tell you who they are.. I don’t see how selling the club allows you to avoid FFP/P&S rules.. Or is there one rule for SWFC and another rule for other clubs? It doesn't. They haven't infringed FFP/P&S regulations yet. Same rules for all. Why not go and read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw pete Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, OxonOwl said: It doesn't. They haven't infringed FFP/P&S regulations yet. Same rules for all. Why not go and read them. We will just have to disagree, But thank for you input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philb125 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, outlaw pete said: If Villa need 8million a month transferring from China because they have no cash in the bank, then their profit and loss account will show they are trading at a loss.. The parachute payment has gone on over paid crocks,sounds familiar ! The Villa fans will tell you who they are.. I don’t see how selling the club allows you to avoid FFP/P&S rules.. Or is there one rule for SWFC and another rule for other clubs? The first thing to consider here is that FFP is over a rolling three year period. Seeing as Villa haven’t been in the championship for three seasons how can they have violated the rules? Even if you ignore that, they receive more income than they lose in outgoings, or at least they should with the huge parachute payments they still receive since exiting the premier league. If you ignore that, they sell players for vast sums that cancel out their spend. It’s not, nor ever likely to be one rule for one and another for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 20 hours ago, S36 OWL said: Bannan is the last player we can afford to lose. Every 6 months the "last player we can afford to lose" changes. Forestieri, Westwood, and now Bannan. I reckon Jones is next. Just can't see anyone affording his £2b weekly salary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Newsome Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 20 hours ago, TINKERBELL said: Is it fk. He's a midfielder that doesn't score many goals nor assists too many, they aren't worth as much in the market. 10M would be a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred mciver Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 50 minutes ago, Philb125 said: The first thing to consider here is that FFP is over a rolling three year period. Seeing as Villa haven’t been in the championship for three seasons how can they have violated the rules? Even if you ignore that, they receive more income than they lose in outgoings, or at least they should with the huge parachute payments they still receive since exiting the premier league. If you ignore that, they sell players for vast sums that cancel out their spend. It’s not, nor ever likely to be one rule for one and another for us. Again, Villa's spend to income's 84%, ours 124%. Highest anywhere. And they have a £25 million offer on table for Grealish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reallondonowl Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 17 hours ago, daveyboy66 said: He was told of the " big money " offers but chose to re-sign. Why do think he did? Agreed - let them have Abdi instead. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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